Leftovers #61 — Israel vs. Gaza

0:40right so welcome everybody to The Leftovers a special edition where we'll be reviewing Taylor Swift's new AAS tour

0:48we both were able to catch that last night VIP access front row seats Hassan what were your thoughts on the

0:55show I I think she's incredible he is what a what a generational Talent unbelievable and and the best we got in

1:04America she is she is the best of us uh in actuality we're going to be discussing the conflict of between

1:12Israel and Gaza that's happening right now obviously there's been a lot of uh um emotional uh charged stuff going on

1:22but we're going to discuss everything but I do want to say make something very clear at the top of the show here is that I've seen a lot of people expecting

1:28us to come froth and argue and our end our friendship is going to end and the show is going to end or something like

1:36that and that's I'm sorry to disappoint you guys but that's definitely not what we're planning on doing here it's not going to happen yeah instead we're going to solve the conflict in its entirety

1:44let's go it's never going to happen that's what we're going to do people who are like it's just not happening that's not

1:51the point of the show which I like and actually it's becoming more so now is that we can have I sound so dumb and

1:59corny but like like we can have difficult conversations and uh not hate each other which is important because taboo topics

2:08exactly just like uh who's doing that I think that was uh fresh and fit fresh and fit tab topics no it was ab and preach I think look if if people like me

2:16and Hanan which are basically so close to uh the same ideals can't have

2:24a amicable uh conversation about it then there's no hope for anybody

2:31I agree thanks the humus um where do you want to where do you want to get started because one thing I do want to

2:39say uh and this is uh not necessarily about this issue in particular but in

2:45general I feel like a lot of people do not have a way to contextualize news and

2:52information without uh adding a little bit of drama seasoning to it where like it's not necess necessarily here's

3:00what's going on this is my opinion on it um it's always uh there there needs to be a secondary Market you know of like

3:09oh well Ethan said this uh or Hassan said that what do you think about this or oh my God they're going to fall apart

3:16like I think that that betrays the the a that betrays the the values that you are trying to show

3:25people if you're saying like I care about people dying I don't want them to die I want uh people to live freely and

3:35then you simultaneously try to have discussions uh almost entirely around uh

3:41commentators and and and Twitter spats and whatnot um I feel like that is

3:48unproductive right and actually we're both people are doing that to both of us yes frankly in fact so much so there's

3:56this one video that I saw in our sub and I I see it on Twitter too is getting a lot of likes and Views it's so [ __ ]

4:03bananas uh I have not even watched it so I just saw it and I was like oh God they spliced me talking separately about

4:13something and Hanan talking separately about something and they spliced it together to make it look like I was telling you that you deserve to die here

4:21let me see Jesus no look at the title of it goes debate Ethan kleint tells his former Co former co-host has perer he

4:30deserves to be burned alive by terrorists for his different views on the Israel Palestine conflict die and by the way oh we got a community note on

4:38it thank you 1.5 million views though but anyway um but that goes to doing that too on my

4:47the one thing that pisses me off is people who are cutting [ __ ] that is like trying to make it sound like I said that

4:54if you're Pro Palestine you deserve to die which is [ __ ] nuts clearly clearly L cut um and and I've seen people doing

5:03the same to you I here's why they're doing that okay here's why they're doing that to you specifically because you're Jewish you

5:11lived in Israel and uh and Ela was of course uh a mandatory conscript uh also

5:19being an Israeli citizen so people don't know what your perspective is and

5:26immediately say okay you want Palestinians to die uh you want uh

5:33Israel to to ethnically cleanse the Gaza Strip and and and ethnically displaced in the West Bank I don't believe that that's your

5:42perspective and I've never believe it it's not no I know that that's not your perspective I'm saying be totally clear

5:49about that yes but I think that it's important for you to clarify and then I can clarify my position as well because a lot of people despite the fact that I

5:58know that I have to to be on a very delicate tight rope when discussing these matters because it does often get

6:06racialized fairly quickly and and uh and it's done as a deliberate attempt to try

6:14to misconstrue your position and and debate a straw man I think that uh you can you know describe your position then

6:22we can go forward well another thing to not is it is incredible how many people want this show to break up like

6:30they are fantasized about it yeah and and and and I find that odd I find that odd

6:37it be no it's what I just described earlier is drama there's no way to contextualize the news cuz news is [ __ ] boring and often times it's

6:44depressing right when you see dead babies when you see [ __ ] building blocks being reduced to Rubble that [ __ ]

6:52is one usually impossible to contextualize if you're living in like [ __ ] Connecticut you know what I mean

6:59and uh and and two it's it's depressing and boring what's not boring is well this is my favorite commentator dooking

7:07it out with my favorite commentator in a in a way that that I can actually analyze in a way that I can actually understand and I'm going to go to battle oh by the way chat is off you [ __ ]

7:18Savages in chat got to pipe down today it's time to sit down and listen sit down and listen so so here I won't

7:27interrupt you uh I think it's good to to clarify your position let me let me clarify thank you yeah clarify your position on on Israel and Palestine in

7:35general well first of all just to talk about this clip that I guess some people have seen I made an analogy you might not disagree with

7:42it my point was that you know what I even need to I don't need to explain that do I I don't know what the clip is

7:50but I think I care more about you getting your point across as it pertains to uh to to Israel and pales

8:00here here's what I'll say and I like to say this at the top because people are always going to call me a Zionist people

8:08are going to call me a IDF supporter genocidal all this [ __ ] and I've been saying it every [ __ ] day every time I

8:16can say it so if you see anybody saying that you know they're they're liars and bad faith weirdos so here's what I'll say about Israel okay listen this isn't

8:26the first time I've said it and I'll say it many more times the cabinet is run by genocidal

8:33Maniacs okay they're led by Netanyahu who should resign in disgrace and go to prison for being a war criminal okay

8:42he's made a coalition of the most like radically conservative freaks that don't represent by the way the majority of

8:49Israelis uh and and they're hellbent on on uh genocide frankly overtly they've committed tons of war

8:56crimes in Gaza including the killing of children obviously because Gaza is one of the most densely populated places in the world 50% of the residents are under

9:0618 so when you bomb a building uh the chances that you're killing children is pretty much

9:14100% okay it's [ __ ] barbaric it's unacceptable it's disgusting I seen

9:21videos you know I saw videos of Palestinian dads holding their his dead like 5-year-old

9:29daughter I mean and and there was another one that

9:39like as a father it's even hard to talk about this dude was holding his infant it was like a year

9:57old and he was like patting her on the back and saying like his final goodbye I mean it was he's holding her like she's

10:04alive like he's just burping her or

10:22something I didn't expect to get emotional about that but like I'm a new dad and that [ __ ] really [ __ ] me up

10:30and I hate to see it it's not right I think people in Israel that support the government and

10:37the government need to watch that [ __ ] think Israel shutting off water power and food to Gaza is insane it doesn't make

10:46sense like what's the end goal there exactly I want to I want to cut in here for a second um and and while you

10:55recollect your thoughts and say something the the feelings that you are demonstrating

11:04here and the empathy that you're demonstrating and showing towards

11:10Palestinians um is unfortunately not represented by our Administration and

11:17it's not represented by our media and I think that uh the irony is

11:24that uh in the aftermath of the uh the the Palestinian uh the the Palestinian

11:33actions in southern towns and Israel um led by

11:41Hamas the reaction from the Israeli population specifically um anti-

11:50zionists living in Israel who are Jewish and even zionists living in

11:57Israel uh was more tempered and more empathetic to the plight of

12:05Palestinians and truly understood that the the violence of this

12:13occupation and the violence of an apartheid regime and the violence of uh endless bombing campaigns in an open air

12:21prison was uh squarely at the at the heart of of the violence that uh

12:30Israelis experienced on October 7th I think that that is very courageous

12:39for people living in Israel proper who lost their friends to come out and speak out against their own government

12:46immediately and it is cowardly and disgusting for Americans

12:53who are thousands of miles away who will never be impacted by this to refuse to

13:02reckon with that and to continue demanding more blood and aligning

13:09themselves with an insanely unpopular insanely reactionary far-right

13:16government who has deliberately propped up Hamas as the singular Force time and

13:23time again who has humiliated bullied

13:30imprisoned and and occupied and stolen lands stolen the lands of of so many innocent

13:39Palestinians and it is shocking to me that that uh the the consensus in Israel

13:48is more tempered and that's what pisses off than the consensus in in American Media like I've seen way too many [ __ ] people acting like all Israelis

13:57are fair targets they're all settlers they're all genocidal like there's way too much [ __ ] dehumanization of

14:05Israelis and the refusal to see like even understand their perspective at all like if you can't understand

14:13why after Hamas murdered up now probably close to 2,000

14:19people if you don't understand why Israel would want to

14:27retaliate then then you're you're not you're not in favor of Peace you're not because okay

14:34because I can understand I understand and a lot of Israelis understand why Hamas exists and why Palestinians

14:44and gazin want to [ __ ] kill Israelis I understand that and I have that empathy I feel that a lot of people not

14:51all even a minority but enough that it that it's noticeable don't have that level of empathy where they see Israeli

14:58as like fullblown diverse human beings that aren't [ __ ] genocidal freaks you know what I mean they just happen to be on the side that has a bigger [ __ ]

15:09military and has International support and the the the the result of that is obviously that a ton of

15:17Palestinians die I think uh like you how's there ever going to be peace like genuinely if there's never if there's

15:25not empathy to at least understand like I'm and I'm not not to agree with but to at least

15:33understand look um I think uh I think uh Edward SED uh

15:39said it best that uh it is it is not about it's not even necessarily about

15:47design ification of Israel it's about uh it's about maintaining peace so that everyone has a right to return and be

15:54able to live comfortably in their own homes this area of historic Palestine did have Jews Christians and

16:02and Muslims living side by side uh uh

16:08before the the 1948 nakba and and before uh the the British

16:14occupation there was there was a time where there was peaceful coexistence um ultimately though I think

16:24that the reason why a lot of people get really passionate about this or the reason why I

16:30think uh I think the American Media does a disservice to to show the full breath of the conflict or even the Israeli

16:39perspective by regularly running to the right of the Israeli government that is I think by design it is because we give

16:48a lot of money to Israel for its security and its defensive operations as we call it and I think a lot of that money has to be justified to the eyes of

16:57the American population uh that is you know those are our weapons ultimately that are being used and being deployed uh it's our training

17:05as well and uh it is very beneficial for loed Martin Ron northr Grumman Boeing

17:14and many other defense contractors who saw tremendous gains in their in their uh on their

17:22stocks uh immediately after uh October 7 so

17:29say that uh people do not have empathy for Israel I don't necessarily uh agree with I think you're I think you're

17:36judgment is is made on what you see on Twitter you're like there's an unimaginable amount of violence that took place in Israel and then how can

17:45people immediately go to defend Palestinians in this in this action and it's understand well I mean well people

17:52were be clear yeah uh immediately uh go to defend these actions in general and and it's because emotions are high in

18:01that moment but I don't think that I I do not think that Western media across the board gives uh gives a a similar

18:10perspective one that you have on the Palestinian plate I don't think that that is represented media that it's worth saying the Western media refuses

18:18to humanize gazet okay like that's yeah that that's the same thing it is by

18:23Design and so you know so it's it's just

18:31people I'd like people to have let me let me finish what I was saying and then you can kind of clarify

18:38your spot go ahead I don't understand the water and power and food being shut off like that makes no [ __ ] sense what's the end goal there other than

18:46just to let people die like hospitals don't have power respirators are turning off um surgeries are being cancelled red

18:55crescent paramedics were bombed yesterday after being allowed into the area to take care of uh people that were

19:01tuck inside of the rubble they died mhm nine un uh nine un officials have died

19:09so far multiple journalists have died so far it's it's Relentless and it is

19:16chaotic it is ethnic cleansing and every single media operative in the United

19:24States and in the western world and the majority of our politician have championed it I was watching the

19:32Israeli news with Ela this morning and she was translating for me on the news they were saying the strategy is to get in as much

19:42bombing as possible before the International Community makes them stop yeah how [ __ ] up and cynical is

19:49that well yeah but they just openly said that right Ela um it's like news anchors like

19:56speculating about the situation and all giving their thoughts it's not an official like it's an analysis or IDF

20:04telling their strategy but they're all speculating and they were saying how like in their opinion we have a short time to respond before you know the

20:13humanitarian cause there is going to be so bad that everyone will tell Israel you guys need to stop so some of the

20:20citizens are actually upset because they want them to respond harsher right it's crazy that's crazy you know I

20:30want to say this about settlers in the West Bank are religious zealots they're monsters they're genocidal [ __ ]

20:38fundamental uh monsters they are also I would even say you know settlers they're participating

20:45in this dangerous conflict okay and they're putting themselves in this dangerous place now I want to make it clear just

20:55while I'm on this point the people who were murdered outside of Gaza were not settlers those were normal [ __ ]

21:00people living normal lives living on Kuts and like communes [ __ ]

21:04Communists living like a peaceful life with their families they were not settlers settlers are involved in this

21:12War I believe they used to be settlers in Gaza the military had to forcibly remove them from Gaza so they could

21:18completely shut it off and and uh begin uh sieges whenever they felt like mowing the

21:26lawn so and and anyway the Israeli government enables the

21:32settlements they uh encourage it with the express purpose of erasing

21:39Palestinian land and making peace near uh as impossible as as as they can so

21:46there's there's something important to mention here important to acknowledge here I think that uh that what you just

21:55described especially in the West Bank which is settler or Terror ter ISM at least according to international law uh and it's it's it's fully understood to

22:03be an illegal occupation uh demands constant military support because you

22:12cannot uh over the course of 75 years build settlements uh and act like you are turning a blind eye to it maybe

22:21sometimes halt it maybe sometimes continue those operations of building said settlements bulldoze homes build roads that specifically partition off uh

22:30areas where Palestinians are supposed to be living on their own land in the two-state solution that uh that has been

22:38reaffirmed time and time again um you you can't you can't have that uh be your peaceful coexistence

22:47project and not as not recognize that that of course Palestinians see that and and think okay well what the [ __ ] are we

22:56supposed to do there's no moss and the West Bank and yet the Palestinian Authority is like collaborating with

23:04Israeli security operations giving up you know 14year olds that were throwing rocks and [ __ ] like that uh while they're losing their land they're losing

23:12their homes uh the the area According to betum which is an Israeli organization uh the area of West Bank of

23:21of all of the agricultural land uh that and and all of the partitioned off lands that have been expand Ed into through

23:28settler terrorism which is completely illegal uh went from uh like 10% in in

23:381967 to to uh more than 75% the areas that are partitioned off

23:45also have no contiguity which means that like if you are Palestinian living in your own home in the West Bank in order

23:54to get to your uncle's house for example you have to go through through a multitude of IDF checkpoints there are

24:02two separate license plates given to Palestinians living in the West Bank versus Israelis living in the West Bank

24:09and I think uh many uh Brave and and very intelligent and very

24:16empathetic uh Jewish uh activists have have talked about this uh in far better terms than I have but one that comes to

24:24mind immediately is is uh Gabor mate a holocaust Survivor uh and a a very

24:32famous physician very famous doctor um where he said it best he said he has friends that live in

24:41America and friends that Palestinians that live in Canada that cannot return to their homes in the West Bank that

24:50cannot return to their homes in even Israel proper their their family homes and yet his friends

24:58if uh regardless of whether or not they've ever lived in Israel or regardless of whether or not where they're from around the world can go to

25:08Israel and go specifically to West Bank and be able to sit on top of Palestinian land and own that land that is

25:17horrifying that is impossible to come to terms with and I think that violence is

25:24a necessity in the maintenance of such a a structure which now many Nos and and

25:32even former officials former Israeli officials are considering uh is an apartheid and it has been for some time

25:41now and of course that violence is going to that violence uh that that uh

25:48Palestinians endure on a daily basis is going to create uh more reactionary forces within it this is something that

25:57I have said about uh the the invasion of Afghanistan and the invasion of Iraq uh and this is something that I even said

26:05about Russia invading Ukraine is that more reactionary forces are going to be

26:12seen as the emancipatory forces when an identist power or an

26:18imperialist power uh goes and tries to seize land that it does not own this is

26:27a this is the second part of uh the the brutality of the occupation that has uh made it seem as though Palestinians have

26:36no choice that that has created no opportunities for them that has led to Hamas being able to seize more and more

26:44power um after being democratically elected one time in 2006 pretty much right and I do want to make clear that

26:54again as we talk about settlers and all this [ __ ]

26:58that settlers are not the same as regular Israeli civilians and I think you know having

27:06having been list they're American actually a lot of them are American yeah they are the most they are um my friend no colwin calls this the

27:15the zealotry of the convert uh where uh he I was talking to him yesterday he's a former editor-in-chief of Jewish

27:22currents I think he was editor-in-chief he still is a contributing editor um and and uh he we were talking about like the the

27:31most the most reactionary the most violent uh uh activity often comes from

27:38the likes of bar Goldstein right an American uh an American Israeli who went

27:45in in uh I believe 1993 into a mosque and and shot and killed 29 uh

27:52Palestinians who were praying during prayer a person that was hailed as a hero by the current uh uh uh minister of

28:02uh the current administrator of the entirety of the Israeli police force itamar benir itamar benir and Benjamin

28:10Netanyahu are incredibly far-right politicians that now control the Israeli

28:19government the last time that there was any kind of negotiation between uh Palestinians and good faith

28:28uh between a person who was still a Zionist uh like uh uh Yak Rabin uh they killed him and the people

28:37that called for his assassination like benir are now in positions of power in

28:44Israel to to show you how much the attitudes and the governance has changed over the course of uh the past three

28:52decades in Israel I want to say that I agree and a lot of people in isra is do it's disgusting the people that are

29:00there right now in power and if I can add something about the settlers that's another point of

29:07frustration for a lot of Israelis um they send the soldiers to protect them soldiers that have to put their life on

29:15hold because the IDF is mandatory they're just 18y old their children they have to go and protect the

29:22settlers the settlers don't go to the IDF Orthodox people don't serve in that IDF [ __ ] nice yeah this is a this is

29:30yeah hold on hold on sorry go ahead I'm done I was going to say that the amount of people that don't know that I've seen

29:37that IDF is mandatory service is crazy people Ela is not serving the IDF ideologically CU she wants to [ __ ]

29:46kill Gins or whatever [ __ ] people always say about her she it's mandatory

29:54conscription it's mandatory every Israeli has why there's organizations uh such as IDF veterans against the

30:01occupation uh that are are very uh that you know are are organizations that I rely on when uh making assessments on uh

30:10what's going on on the ground in Israel as well and here's the thing um yeah this is this is a relatively

30:17controversial perspective it's just that the official government attitude has often times or at all as a matter of

30:25fact ever reflected any kind of itude within the the Israeli population as it

30:31has either deliberately or in secret continued the the settler expansion

30:38protocols since uh since uh 1967 especially

30:45so that is that's basically burning the candle on both ends okay on the one hand uh

30:55you're telling Palestinians hey hey if you collaborate with us we are still going to have these psychotic American

31:04uh settlers come to your uncle's house uh and and take it away from you bulldo

31:11your house partition your neighborhoods okay and and set up a a um two-tier

31:17checkpoint system that betum calls like I said uh the the permit regime and constantly harass you they

31:27can spit on you and if they spit on you the idf's official protocol in that situation is to defend the settlers they're not there to defend the

31:35Palestinians mhm like they might in in certain instances but overwhelmingly their their job there is to specifically

31:44defend the settlers and again like Ela was touching on you're sending young men out and Harm's Way to protect these

31:53provocator [ __ ] religious zealot radicals and and again like El the irony

32:01being that they don't even need to serve the military I mean it's a [ __ ] joke yeah so I think it's I think that it's especially important for people to keep

32:09in mind that Israel is so far from a monolith it's you like I just people need to understand that and that people

32:18need to understand that we're not all guilty of the crimes of our government because if that was the case he Heaven would be empty at the end of the day I

32:26mean this this this was the analogy I was making if you're American

32:34um you know and and if we're going to blame the citizens of Israel and say they're all you know and some people

32:42have been saying this and I have clips that I want to watch later saying that all is all Israelis are occupiers in fair game uh and deserve to to die

32:51essentially if you're willing to say that then if like a terrorist cell comes to a [ __ ] neighborhood in LA and

33:00wants to do revenge for the million Iraqis that the American government murdered during that war then you're telling me you would have no problem

33:08these terrorists coming and killing everybody you know I mean you are sitting next to someone who said America deserve 9/11 by the way okay well how would you feel let you know how how

33:18would you feel if uh if people were blaming you for for the Iraq War and coming and killing your [ __ ] children and your grandma and your parents and

33:26your friends alive I I don't disagree with you on on

33:33uh you know civilian casualties I I I think that ultimately we we have a moral

33:40obligation to speak out against our government and do everything we physically can to stop that kind of

33:48Bloodshed I agree and uh I think that plenty of Americans at least kind of recognize that that uh

33:57this is a war machine that they cannot stop anymore so my goal at least is to get people to to not Champion it and uh

34:07the same goes for uh Israeli action H the the Israeli government's actions specifically just like the American

34:15government's action um because at the end of the day what I want and what I

34:21believe many of my my friends uh who are Palestinian advoc kids and activists and

34:29Israeli activists as well on the ground what they all want is peaceful coexistence but peaceful coexistence

34:38will never be achieved as long as governments can behave in whichever way they want especially as it comes to

34:46blood and soil propaganda and the consequences of that propaganda being you know blood and soil

34:53actions that's same with America same with Israel I think that

35:00Israelis and again I hope that you'll see where they're coming from when you

35:07say they're Cy they're paranoid they're scared and um they feel threatened constantly yeah and so when Israelis see

35:16a ton of leftists uh talking about you know go Hamas cheering on Hamas or saying saying like super hyperbolic [ __ ]

35:26about like Ci uh civilians are all settlers or you know or or saying [ __ ]

35:32like uh listen it's a revolution what do you expect like what is a revolution supposed to look like or whatever of all these qualifiers basically that people

35:41want to make the israelies see that and they say oh these people just [ __ ]

35:47hate us they just want to kill everybody that's why we're going to vote for these scumbags I don't think I don't think that the people that vote for those

35:54scumbags are are motivated by like some random Twitter person being like this is a reolution it's a human it's a feeling that people get it's not a random tweet

36:02yeah go ahead go ahead I want to say Ethan is right and so many people in Israel just feel like it's an

36:10existential threat it's just this everybody wants us dead that's how we grow up I grew up like that all of our

36:17borders they all want us dead I Rockets are a bus as a child it's like that that's your life you're under Threat all

36:25the time and it's not and it's important to say this not about right or wrong it's about having empathy for the Israeli experience okay and how and and

36:33like and it's not about right and wrong I have to say that I have to emphasize that it's got nothing to do with that

36:41okay it's about understanding their perspective and knowing that when

36:49you have these uh super you

36:55know accepted views on violence and Revolution and all this [ __ ] towards Israelis it's not one tweet that people

37:03see Hass it's it's all the [ __ ] people see over the years all the time and it causes them to act irrationally okay I

37:11think that uh you bring up a really good point about about paranoia uh the the reason

37:19why well first of all uh I mean we don't have to get into like the the uh the the history

37:27of why Jewish people would be understandably uh paranoid and worried uh considering how they have

37:35historically been singled out as villains every single [ __ ] time from uh blood lials and pgms all the way to

37:42the Holocaust so uh and so you would understand it's hard for some people to dis no I know you do but I'm just saying this I'm just saying this 100% you might

37:51understand how it's hard for some people to distinguish an anti-Semitism

37:59between like uh criticism especially when it's like very a criticism that's

38:06very lack on violence against Israelis so you're absolutely correct on uh on on

38:14that front here's what I will even uh dive into further and this is something I talked about on my stream as well uh

38:23the the paranoia now that manifests uh inside of Israel as far as

38:30I understand I didn't I don't live in Israel I've never been to Israel um is at least from everything that I

38:39have read on not just Israel but also aparti South Africa and uh the the

38:45Algerian uh anti-colonial action against uh the French and numerous other uh formations of

38:54occupation and the emancipatory struggle there the paranoia manifests and becomes

39:00a part of your identity because of the the the violence that is a necessity for the maintenance of apartheid because

39:09it's of course you you it's it's almost all this [ __ ] happened I mean

39:18from the moment Israel was established the neighbors were trying to kill them well I

39:24mean I don't know if we we agree on that I will say that I think that nakba was

39:31was an unjustifiable act of violence that was the formation of the state now you can say every state is formed

39:39through an act of violence all enclosures are are uh defended through acts of violence certainly but I think

39:46that there was you know this this extends like what you say to uh West

39:53Bank uh what you say about West Bank settlers was the original position of the the Israeli States formation and this does

40:03not an incurrent day justify like random Israeli children that are born inside of

40:10Israel proper uh to be considered enemy combatants I agree with you there 100%

40:17um because that is not problem solving that is looking for vengeance however uh if we are to say that like Israel from

40:26its uh development like in in its Inception has always been under the threat of violence from uh other nations

40:33bordering Nations certainly sure but Israel's formation was a violent one but let's just be real let's be practical

40:40I'm talking to the Israeli psyche yeah okay

40:47like you know 1973 every bordering Arab State wanted to just coess to destroy

40:55Israel okay like this is ingrained in the Israeli psyche this kinds of [ __ ] and

41:02even back then in 197 people were just born there you know what I mean and again I'm not even saying right or wrong I'm saying it's important to empathize

41:10with the Israeli experience if you ever want to achieve peace cuz otherwise the only other option is one side kills the other side

41:18completely yes that's the only end to this otherwise and the side that's going to kill the other side completely is not going to be the Palestinian side that's

41:25the point like that's never I don't I don't think that that is ever going to happen I don't even I don't even believe

41:32that that that is uh legitimately what every single Palestinian wants either just like I don't believe what Israelis want across the board I'm not saying

41:41anybody wants that I'm saying that's what the piece that they're working towards when they don't have the ability

41:48to empathize with the Enemy you don't see them as human beings they're never going to [ __ ] see you as human beings

41:57either never going to meet in the middle andn that the same goes for like I'm talking about both sides man yeah I I

42:05think that I think that I I agree with you that uh dehumanization does occur but I also believe that one side does

42:13still hold all of the Power uh and that is the side that is the state that uh

42:22has been backed by the entirety of the western world that gets uh that an incredible security apparatus that for

42:29the first time ever in 50 years was actually shattered which is why I think there's like a lot of uh a lot of fear internally inside of Israel and a lot of

42:37anger towards the security candidate uh Benjamin nahu specifically but

42:43overall uh it is it is certainly Israel's conflict to

42:50end you know what I mean El you were trying to say something can I add that um my generation's grandparents are

42:57people that survived the Holocaust and they ran escaped to Israel to start a

43:04country for Jewish people because they were we all know the Holocaust they were

43:10all you know butchered and um what happened this time is a really scary

43:18reminder to all of us Jewish people and that's how I feel at least that it it's a reminder the Holocaust wasn't that long ago

43:27and every every year on Holocaust day the thing they tell you is never forget you always have to tell the stories to

43:34everybody about what happened at the Holocaust and I it's always like something taken for granted for me you just grow up and you're like yeah

43:42Holocaust day you know it happened we all get it but what happened this time is really scary and it it really does

43:48bring up this topic and see I don't think that you can even say something like that without starting a debate and I don't think that that's right I think

43:57the reason for why uh the reason why like the reason why people would react to it or even myself as a matter of fact

44:05we react to that is is because while you're absolutely correct

44:13and your feelings are are totally valid what is happening currently is a a

44:21ongoing at least 75-year campaign of ethnic displacement uh upon people who uh had nothing to do

44:30with the Holocaust and that is and dude I'm just we're just talking about the Israeli psyche I don't so what is it you're saying though like I we all know

44:39that but we have to be real about how we interpret everybody's suffering everybody is like you bro you don't know

44:46how crazy it was like we were listening to the news on the day it happened live

44:54and families are calling and Whispering the terrorists are killing their children in front of them burning people alive in safe houses [ __ ] you

45:03know what I mean shooting babies with AK-47s and so I'm just saying like it's

45:10important to empathize with how a Jewish person or specifically an Israeli might

45:17feel hearing these phone calls there are kids that survived because they were laying under their dead parents bodies

45:27and they laid there for hours the whole day and that's how they survived and the last time we heard stories like that was at the Holocaust and I'm not saying it's

45:35and I'm not again it's not about right or wrong it's just about like having the empathy to understand your quote enemy

45:44to understand the perspective and I'm not asking Gins necessarily even to be like oh well I appreciate what they're

45:51going through I'm talking about like people who want to [ __ ]

45:57uh debated all day long and you know this stuff does influence people I you know the the demonstrations you see out

46:05there that happened like immediately afterwards the these are PE these people have an effect on on attitudes around

46:12the world I don't think that they have any say or any effect on on the western

46:18world's uh United defense of of Israel affects antism and fects how people

46:26treat Jews and it normalizes by the way treating Israelis like animals I I don't believe that we should

46:34treat Israelis like animals and I and and one thing that that you have I think

46:41that many people do not is the experiences that you mentioned as far as children hiding under their parents'

46:48bodies is in this very [ __ ] up way identical to the to the exist istance of

46:56of people living in Gaza every single day under brutal fire uh from a much

47:02more Superior military force the the reality is that most of the world most

47:10of the western world not only does not see that but also immediately rushes to uh to equate people saying free

47:18Palestine across the board in an unflinching way to a defense of Hamas or Hamas operations

47:26and whatnot are there people who do defend Hamas certainly But ultimately the overwhelming majority of activist

47:33that I know the harat's editorial board and the perspective of like shinb officials that say that uh Israel's uh

47:43actions in the West Bank is becoming a security risk because it is radicalizing

47:49Palestinians into taking an incredibly anti-israel posture former Assad members

47:56former former shet officials uh United in saying the same exact thing and you know these these Terror attacks do the

48:04same they they radicalize Israelis of course of course I understand that violence begets violence that is a constant no matter what so what we have

48:13to remember is who holds the power to scale it back who holds the power to stop the violence I I I think a lot of

48:23people do know that and remember that yeah and I and so when people say that this is uh this violence that occurred

48:31in Israel proper is uh directly a consequence of the brutal apartheid regime and the conditions that it set

48:39forth for Palestinian people statement that I agree with yeah so when they say that you're saying that people equate

48:46that with like a defense of Hamas no that is not what I'm saying there are people that is not what I'm saying there are Gaz and people be totally clear dude

48:54there are Palestinian Authority people there are people in Gaza that are not Hamas at all or there are Palestinian Authority people that have been going

49:01and doing the rounds in Western media and the question always is do you condemn these actions do you condemn

49:09these actions of course they condemn the actions but the reality is that that in after after condemning the actions a

49:18thousand times over it feels like the goal there if you want to understand and empathize with the with the Muslim side

49:25of this conversation it feels like the goal there is to derail to to stop talking about Gaza stop talking about Palestinian people just condemn the

49:34actions and shut the [ __ ] up and even if you do as I have time and time again people still go well your name is Assan

49:42you're Muslim you're a supporter of terrorism and this happened in the immediate aftermath of 2001 and 9/11 and

49:50ironically as far as I have seen at least in the Israeli left the position is significantly more tempered than the

49:58American liberals were at that point uh where where George W Bush's approval rating shot up to 91% after 911 where

50:07America's comfortable security blanket was penetrated and it in it in our Collective Consciousness changed in that

50:15very moment to say oh my God we can actually experience this violence in our own homes and the same goes for Israel

50:23as well where you you've mentioned rocket fire over the course of the past uh multiple decades since 2000 onward

50:30before the October 7 operation that the the the casualties were of course asymmetrical rocket fire still ended up

50:39killing uh people in Israel again again the it's like you can look at the numbers but like of course cuz Israel

50:47has the it's still the provocation it's still the attempt you know what I mean just because they have the technology to shoot it out of the sky doesn't mean

50:55that the people in Israel are not going to be affected by it no I I understand that but there's I need to make something clear

51:03that you touched on I don't think people who say I support Palestine are pro Hamas that's [ __ ] insane okay it's an

51:11it's like the opposite of everything I've ever said okay there is something I noticed

51:18that rubbed me wrong which was that as the news was breaking as people

51:27were still calling in saying I'm in my safe house I hear the terrorist outside killing my neighbors people are on

51:34Twitter or whatever or activists whoever saying uh let's go Palestine go

51:41Palestine so how am I it's the timing Hassan I'm it's important like we got to

51:49make this huge distinction when people are saying go Palestine as they're terrorist killing people that to me I

51:57don't know who else they're cheering on other than Hamas okay now if you wait if you wait like you

52:04know it's the timing dude it does matter here's there is a there's an asymmetry to the violence but there's

52:12also an asymmetry to the coverage as well what do I mean by this Mia Khalifa is a good example uh you and I were

52:19talking about this on the phone earlier M and Khalifa said things that

52:26I find to be distasteful and wrong okay worse than that I I think it was it was distasteful and wrong I think that was

52:34it was callous the indifference to violence that civilians are subjected to

52:40on the Israeli side as well is callous however the reaction to Mia

52:47Khalifa uh was has has never ever occurred uh on the other side when

52:55Israel is engaging in bombing campaigns and and like you said the the horrific images that you saw that that uh draw so

53:03much emotion out of you of like you know Palestinian fathers holding their daughters uh in this open air

53:10prison there is there is no equivalence I think a lot of people who have been advocates for Palestinians for many many

53:18years especially if they're Muslim know this reality that you have to be incredibly careful all the time with your rhetoric and that even in an

53:27emotional moment you can never actually you can you can never say something that will be misconstrued and Mia

53:35Khalifa want like said something that was that was inappropriate and unacceptable hold on hold on hold on she

53:42showed a picture of terrorists roaming and a pickup truck murdering civilians she described that as a Renaissance

53:50painting yeah and she went further and said will the Palestinian Freedom Fighters please flip their phone I I know vertically I mean that's that's

53:58worse than unacceptable so it's evil so you're you're correct on that okay so let me let me ask you this though yeah when Lindsey Graham goes on and says

54:07this is a religious war and we must ethnically cleanse uh we must wipe our enies should get the same coverage I know but it but it doesn't Ethan that's

54:15the point Marco Rubio Marco Rubio call for ethnic cleansing these are people in positions of power these are people who are literally facilitating in the

54:24bloodshed these are people who actually are engaging in the continuation these are not former former porn stars who

54:32were were were Christian Lebanese uh who uh now uh whatever dude she was getting a lot of attention people were liking it

54:39it wasn't like but here's the problem that doesn't that's meaningless is what I'm saying in the grand scheme of things because that doesn't let me make my

54:48point go ahead when you when when you when you say like the timing is [ __ ]

54:58up or or or like why does m Khalifa get all this [ __ ] and it's it's like always a whataboutism it's always like you can

55:06never just say yes and also can we [ __ ] hold lindsy Graham accountable which I agree and it's crazy the [ __ ]

55:13they say and they should get more attention for it but it's like there there's a refusal to acknowledge like um

55:21it's always about like well what about us which I understand but it's like you have to say yes you have this thing and

55:29we also have this thing and not like in the same breath say but yes but like it's just it just doesn't feel it feels

55:37[ __ ] up I think the former Palestinian Authority member uh went that went on like BBC and did the rounds in the UK

55:44said it best where it was every single time you bring me on here when Palestinians have have done anything uh

55:53you you demand condemnation from me okay we have done this uh we have done this so many times I am not Hamas my family

56:02members were killed by Israel six six-year-olds like six of my uh family members were were killed by uh the

56:09Israeli occupying force uh I have condemned it every single time I've condemned Hamas every single time but the but the reality is that no such

56:18condemnation is demanded from the media when uh Israeli officials are brought on to talk about

56:25like genuinely genocidal terms in which they're wiping out Gaza and that is a

56:31constant and that has never ever been anything like there has never been any equivalence whatsoever and I think that

56:40uh people who are passionate or people who who say uh Cal people who are callously

56:48indifferent to the wanting violence of of uh retaliation that is reac actionary

56:55to uh apartheid are are thinking that they can get away with saying these sorts of things because they've seen people who

57:04are Defenders of Israel say infinitely worse things as more bombing uh campaigns have continued one more than

57:131,200 almost 2,000 Israelis died Israelis are terrified of a a violent

57:22retaliation right Israelis Now understand better than ever

57:29before the feeling that people in Gaza experience on a daily basis the fear that they live with on a daily basis

57:35that is going to breed more hostility and and that is going to play uh Palestinians directly into the

57:44hands of the most radical the most fundamentalist forces that were directly propped up by the Israeli government by

57:53mad as is uh was seen as a counterweight a counterbalance to secular forces and

58:02and Marxist and socialist forces who also were violently uh uh you know who who participated in in uh violent acts

58:11as well however the fundamentalist uh the the fundamentalist islamist Muslim

58:19Brotherhood cutout was directly uh directly logistically supported by the

58:27Israeli government and has been propped up specifically by even Netanyahu and every

58:33other Israeli government as the the only the only Force to take seriously for uh

58:40Palestinians it's impossible to ignore this when talking about the violent retaliation I think that I I agree dude

58:49yeah that I I don't disagree with that I think equally it's important for Israelis to understand why why there is

58:55if they if the Israelis cannot empathize with the idea that why people want to do

59:03violent retaliation why people support Hamas then we're also never going to have peace yes and everybody needs to

59:11empathize and I think it's more important than ever to to uh to ensure that people recognize that both uh in

59:20the western world that uh props up the far-right Israeli regime uh that turns a

59:27blind eye to the violence and uh it's it's important for uh our our brothers and sisters that are living in Israel

59:36proper that are anti-zionists that are also fighting uh that very same battle uh every day to to

59:46make sure that people understand that the only way out of this well there's two different ways out of this it's ethnic cleansing it's it's like doing a

59:54a final solution to the Palestinians or it's a a pathway towards developing a nation state where Palestinians uh

1:00:03Muslims Christians Jews uh can live coexist and and have equal rights and equal

1:00:11representation right at the end of the day all I'm asking is for people to be able to say that uh you know terrorism

1:00:19is bad no matter what without an exception without subtext no listen

1:00:27without that without a [ __ ] asterisk that's like yeah but but you know I mean what the [ __ ] man no I I understand

1:00:35where you're coming from with that I think um and I'm not saying you do itas talked about this uh where he said

1:00:44there was a practice in thec in apartheid South Africa um that that was called necklacing I'm not entirely sure

1:00:51what it was but it was brutal the thec originally under uh uh under the leadership of Nelson Mandela demonstrated peacefully multiple times

1:01:00, 1 minuteum they uh there was a police retaliation in aparte South Africa where 69 demonstrators died obviously the

1:01:08conditions were brutal they had this concept called a pencil test you know what I mean like where they would put a pencil in your hair to see if you were what how how non-white you were if the

1:01:16pencil stuck you were considered non-white not allowed to go into certain places now all of that was violent the

1:01:24main of that was violent when all was said and done Nelson Mandela realized that that uh violent reaction was

1:01:32demanded from the people on the ground demanded from uh the the emancipatory for forces demanded from uh the 90%

1:01:40black people that comprised the the South African population he was jailed he went to Algeria first he went to Ethiopia he

1:01:49talked to revolutionaries he talked to marxists uh uh he came back to Africa he was immed immediately South Africa he was jailed time and time again the the

1:01:58government demanded that he denounce the violence he said how can I have how can I how can I talk to you on equal

1:02:06conditions when I am chained how can you make how can you put uh uh how can you

1:02:13put my freedom as a talking point as a as a way to get me to denounce violence when you have made no efforts in in in

1:02:23uh you've made no conciliatory efforts you've made no efforts in in understanding the position of people

1:02:31that you have uh subjugated uh that that you have uh that you have forced to exist in these aparte

1:02:38conditions at the end of the day nobody remembers the the violence of thec

1:02:45forces because the violence of apartheid regime was all too great was significant was more significant than the violence

1:02:54volence that uh that the horrifying violence even those that of course civilians were subjected to because if I

1:03:02were to ask you today what's worse the violence towards the civilians in apartheid South Africa or the violence of the apartheid regime you would say

1:03:11the violence of the apartheid regime right I don't know did they mass murder 1500 civilians um I don't know the exact civilian casualties but in in Algeria no

1:03:20they yeah they they did brutal stuff yeah so P up how many I mean not that it [ __ ] matters yeah exactly but but the

1:03:29the the conversation is important to to analyze from that perspective because people that are forced into a corner

1:03:37that see no other way out are going to do this and uh and if you don't make any

1:03:44concessions if you treat the secular uh Palestinian Authority like they're garbage and then use them as a part of

1:03:51your security uh your surveillance state and and have them be seen as collaborators with the Israeli

1:03:58government that is is you know currently imprisoning and and defending the settlers like you said the fundamentalist religious freaks uh in

1:04:07the West Bank then of course Palestinians that are going to be like what the [ __ ] well this is our two-state solution this is our peaceful

1:04:14coexistence that like we're we're losing our homes uh we're getting bullied in our own neighborhoods we have dudes from Brooklyn and Long Island coming in and

1:04:23being like this is my house now like if you see that as your peaceful coexistence as a pathway forward you are inevitably radicalizing people to to

1:04:31react to that in more and more violent ways and that is that is entirely in the

1:04:40hands of the Israeli government to to scale back regardless of of of how uh regardless of how Israeli people feel

1:04:48about the matter whether they are uh understandably paranoid and understandably scared or not I mean remember the first inata was was rocks

1:04:57the second one was bombs like suicide vests and suicide bombs in in you know public transit

1:05:06there's a there it has escalated throughout years as as the Israeli occupation has gotten worse and worse

1:05:15and this is a reality that that even former Israeli officials recognize and reckon with and and and ask for change

1:05:23on you know what I mean I 100% dude I understand everything you're

1:05:31saying like people forget like in in the 90s there was at least some form of freedom of travel between uh Israel

1:05:38proper West Bank and Gaza there were no the Border walls and and um the the freedom of movement freedom of travel

1:05:46was not uh was not stopped it was not restricted and and look where we're at now what's up the '90s I feel like there

1:05:55were a lot more Talks Of Peace that seemed actually close like it didn't seem that impossible back then from what

1:06:02I remember yeah and then what happened the the the one dude yeah the one dude

1:06:10who was like okay guys look I'm a Zionist I think that we should at the very least maintain the security of the

1:06:17isra state in in a reasonable way we have to [ __ ] reason with these guys he was called a [ __ ] and then

1:06:24assassinated and the dudes that literally wanted him assassinated are now in positions of power yeah they have

1:06:32been voted for uh they've been voted into office over and over and over and over again okay so just to be clear

1:06:38these Fringe right freaks are like very they've been getting more support but like the reason they're in power they

1:06:46don't usually get a lot of support in the parliament B Nyah was forced into some really [ __ ] up psychotic

1:06:54coalitions with fringe freak uh uh you know genocidal Maniacs yeah that's the latest government that he put together

1:07:03just to stay in power it it's worth mentioning that it doesn't have wide support amongst Israelis yeah but um

1:07:11even look there are there is a member in the knesset that immediately after uh the the uh immediately after October 7

1:07:19came out and was like this is directly the the responsibility of the government and the occupation this is why people

1:07:25are retaliating and he was right so I'm not saying that there aren't voices it's just that the voices are are deafened

1:07:32the voices are additionally deafened when any kind of retaliatory action is is immediately weaponized it's expected

1:07:40and weaponized to make the Israeli population become even more reactionary and demand more blood let me just ask

1:07:47you this then and the and the analogy I gave you okay just to get a direct

1:07:54answer where as the terrorist attacks are happening there's people calling saying my neighbors are being shot by

1:08:03terrorists right now and there's people saying go Palestine are they talking about Palestinian Freedom or they

1:08:10encouraging Hamas to kill Israelis I don't know what people are I don't I don't know what their demands are it's not it's not unreasonable for me to

1:08:18assum that it's not unreasonable for you I mean listen I think and if you're Palestinian for the I'll take it one step further look uh you talked about

1:08:26the paranoia that uh that Israelis feel uh towards uh you know uh Palestinians or or Hamas right and and I will say

1:08:35this as well I think that if you are Palestinian and it is understandable that they see this as an emancipatory action it doesn't have to be right and

1:08:44it's not right but it does not matter because for them this is the first time that that they have seen that they have

1:08:52seen like a a a uh they've seen the the security apparatus fall apart that they've seen the barriers that were

1:09:00, 9 minutesdesigned that were constructed around Gaza get bulldozed dude I got I think it I got no problem with them breaking through the borders like and do and

1:09:07doing some kind of [ __ ] maybe I I mean I I do have a problem but let's say what kind of [ __ ] though they attacked a

1:09:14military Outpost they attacked settlers I'm not saying I'm okay with it but like this is this is more acceptable but like

1:09:21going and roaming through a kabut and murdering families is like I just don't think there's any room for for for Exceptions there like there's a big

1:09:30difference you know what I mean like I understand their and I know you do I'm just explaining for myself here yes civilian civilian targets are never seen

1:09:38as appropriate that is 100% it was just the rule that's the rule is that like civilian targets are not appropriate and again Israel kills

1:09:46civilians right I'm not not saying that I know they do it's like it's not even

1:09:54debated at least in serious people who are trying to have a serious conversation about it and

1:10:02so it seems a little obtuse though to look at at an activist during a terrorist Slaughter

1:10:11saying let's go Palestine and not say like yeah they're probably sharing on Hamas to kill

1:10:20Palestinians I think that whoever whoever people are cheering on is ultimately inconsequential because the

1:10:27actions of the state and the actions of our state the actions of all Western States is significantly more important

1:10:34right right that's what I'm saying like I'm again and I I I find it to be unproductive and I also think it's ridiculous and I'm not saying you're doing this but I think it's [ __ ]

1:10:44ridiculous that uh the the the indifference that people have to human casualties is gross and it's not it's

1:10:54it's never more perfectly demonstrated by people being like Oh the BLM Chicago account that like not even affiliated with the organization even though I

1:11:02don't even like the the official BLM organization anyway um is is uh posting a photo right and

1:11:10then immediately people are like look this is how BLM is like you know see you guys have to immediately uh apologize everyone who was like been associated with apologize to random [ __ ]

1:11:20Instagram account that is politics people are using the deaths of of Israelis and the deaths

1:11:27of Palestinians to do domestic politics and I think that's [ __ ] ridiculous and I also think and maybe you agree

1:11:34with me maybe you don't that a part of the the do you condemn the violence do you condemn the violence do you condemn the violence uh rhetoric is is I think

1:11:43cynically applied to every single person that wants to talk about ending this conflict even if it's even if it's

1:11:51talking about ending the conflict from the the perspective of like Israeli security uh where the Harvard student

1:11:58organization that uh that got together and said the violence that Israel experienced today is squarely the

1:12:06consequence of the brutal occupation they said that in the United States of America the Harvard students organization there's plenty of Jewish Americans that are involved in writing

1:12:15that what happened uh every single Psychopathic VC hedge fund [ __ ] said these people need to be punished give us

1:12:23their names and they got their names they did Canary uh they did Canary mission style Psychopathic doxing on

1:12:31students for saying what for saying exactly the same thing that the hitz

1:12:38editorial board wrote ver word for word bar for bar the Israeli paper of Records

1:12:45I'll and the and the Harvard Students Association had an identical perspective and what happened in America they got doxed there are camp on the campus right

1:12:54now are literally their photos are being I read the letter it was not that bad people were going crazy and way

1:13:02overreacting about it if people are mad about that it's probably because of the timing but but there's no there's no

1:13:09timing placed on on another a group of people's emancipation there's no like my

1:13:16there timing matters let's not be obtuse about this just it's just this one point I'm trying to make you sh on Hamas dude

1:13:25I do well I Ethan I said you know what I said in on the day of the occupation I know you don't but like we're being

1:13:33we're being a little silly like if somebody says go [ __ ] uh the only differ between while people are being

1:13:42murdered like that's that's Pro Hamas that's what it is you're helping you know what I mean that's just that's what it is and I understand all the little

1:13:49sub what's the distinction but what's the distinction between what the Harvard students said what what I said what many Israelis also uh said as well versus

1:13:59like what you perceive other people were saying when when uh you don't know the Fuller picture of like their perspective first of all I don't have a problem with

1:14:08what they said you don't and I'm curious about how soon after this massacre it was released

1:14:17because I assuming and we can look into this what's the barrier of acceptability though or is it that you know me personally and you know what my opinion

1:14:25is which is why what did you you can understand you didn't say anything like you you did not say like free Palestine

1:14:32or some [ __ ] after as murderers were happening I said that resistance to apartheid is always imperfect and there

1:14:40are casualties everywhere which means there are casualties on the Israeli side and there are going to be casualties on

1:14:48thean yes that is a but that is ultimately that that is ultimately the same as saying free Palestine it is

1:14:57because my goal is to free pal I know I know you're I know what you mean but it's not not the Bro here's the thing

1:15:05you're saying what you're saying is and again people don't be silly about

1:15:11this I'm talking about PE the timing as civilians are being murdered as the stories developing people saying this

1:15:19okay it it it's that's an important distinction like I your your take about like listen um gazin are under aarth

1:15:29they're they're being genocided and all this which is all true and that is what's causing this violent retaliation what's causing this VI retaliation which

1:15:37is all true I'm sorry but it's not the [ __ ] same as saying let's go

1:15:44Palestine as bodies are hitting the floor it's not the same no I understand and frankly I think people are

1:15:51intinction thank you and I think not being careful and I think people are justified in looking at that and

1:15:58thinking like oh okay this person's happy that Israeli citizens are dying like what like I'm sorry but that's that's a

1:16:07defensible position to take no I Ethan you're expanding on free Palestine

1:16:15in that moment to to uh I'm glad that Israelis are being murdered there the jump there you know no no let me explain

1:16:25jump there is literally you knowing what I represent and who I am versus you not knowing you want to know why because you think when I said that people didn't

1:16:34misconstrue my statements my name is Hassan I am the America deserved 911 guy if you think that the very same forces

1:16:43the very same people that that uh despise what I had to say about blowback in 9/11 did not have the exact same

1:16:51opinion that you have over over I don't know what other people thought about what you said okay I know that I thought it was a it was a much more

1:17:00, 17 minutesrespectful um uh empathic take and I doubt and when did you do that as bodies were hitting the Flores on how when did

1:17:09you tweet out your your statement about it I think I mean it was well for the next two days Palestinian forces were

1:17:16still deep embedded inside of Israeli proper positions in southern town so there were still people dying so so how

1:17:23about this as a separation when um when people are calling in the news and talking about their their neighbors and children being murdered in front of them

1:17:32is not the time okay except I mean it's [ __ ] it should be kind of obvious I'm sorry I I

1:17:40understand you just can't do that I'm sorry it's it's gross I get what you're saying except you know the the you as

1:17:47someone who recognizes the violence of the occupation know that this uh by the very same metrics saying I stand with

1:17:56Israel implies that you stand with Israel's genocidal conduct right and

1:18:03therefore stand is it does kind of seem like that I mean that is what it says Okay I I I I disagree with people saying

1:18:11that if if if we're bomb if is not we if Israel is bombing Gaza people are saying I stand not just bombing Gaza Israel's

1:18:20aparti regime in occupation is endless it might be sidelined it might be silent it might be the constant but that is

1:18:28still violent if Israel is bombing Gaza okay not necessarily just bombing Gaza dude let me okay I heard you go on sorry

1:18:37I have to PE so bad if you leave I win it's

1:18:44over I'm holding it if Israel milit IDF is bombing Gaza and you know and you're

1:18:53seeing the media that I saw or even not seeing the media I saw because that you know that civilians are getting uh

1:19:00, 19 minutesinjured or killed and you say I support Israel in that moment then I do think you are supporting uh the is the IDF and the

1:19:10Israeli regime's [ __ ] aparti violence okay do you do you think that there is

1:19:16uh the same energy and same condemnation even remotely the same condemnation and

1:19:22en for those who say I stand with Israel all the way from Justin Bieber using a photo of destroyed go let me pull that

1:19:31to be like uh praying for Israel where's that [ __ ] are you praying for bro Israel to stop like what's going on what are you praying for was that was one of the

1:19:39craziest things I've seen in he posted a picture of Gaza being basically a whole street block being led by Israel bombs

1:19:48with the it says I'm praying for Israel yeah he was he was praying for Israel to stop Jam Lee Curtis photos Jamie Lee

1:19:56Curtis posting a photo of uh children in Gaza looking up at the sky as as Israel is bombing them and going I stand with

1:20:04Israel Israeli flag like the the and and so many other examples Charlie Kirk

1:20:10showing photos of the Israeli occupying Force entering West Bank homes and posting that video and going look at

1:20:18what the Hamas terrorists are doing or so many other examples of

1:20:23palan children babies in cages that that the Israeli occupying Force put them in that people are posting and going look

1:20:32what the the Hamas is doing look at this cruelty how how cruel how unusual that it's it's all crazy it's all psychotic

1:20:40propaganda I don't even blame super cynical [ __ ] up things no it's not it's not even cynical e well no the people who no the people who create the

1:20:48propaganda are cynical not it's not even cynical though I don't even [ __ ]

1:20:52blame them because yes there is an asymmetry to this violence and and you have been willingly or or you have

1:21:00, 21 minutescompletely uh uh been been shut out from one side of that of the of the recipients of said violence and

1:21:09therefore you simply do not know you don't know what the reality is and by God there is a lot more examples uh uh

1:21:17pre- October 7 uh there's a lot more examples of like Israeli brutality and Israeli cruelty upon Palestinians so

1:21:25you're inevitably going to accidentally post [ __ ] like that the thing is like with all this nuance and background and

1:21:34history you still if we're being serious about peace you still you you can't look at an

1:21:43Israeli you know who is traumatized by what happened in context of everything you've said which I all agree with and

1:21:51say yes but you know it's horrible or like uh yes but it's like you just I'm just

1:21:59saying on a human level in the real world you you you can't do that you

1:22:07can't like you have to just give them their grief you have to give them the [ __ ] the you have to you have to

1:22:16grant them I mean they made them victims on that day those people anyway yeah and so like when you're having a

1:22:24conversation with Israelis and Israelis are looking to the outside world I'm saying I agree with everything

1:22:31you're saying but if you're trying to communicate your condolences for grief or something like that you don't

1:22:39say yes but I think people should be more careful understand why I think people should be more careful and I think people should be more open-minded

1:22:47I agree um I I understand why you do it h I'm just talking about in the real world yeah when you're talking to an

1:22:55Israeli who's dealing who it comes from the Israeli perspective here's a [ __ ]

1:23:00, 23 minuteshard truth that people Pro I don't know if people will accept it or not listen if you're born in Gaza you're going to hate Israel 100% if you're born in

1:23:09Israel you're probably going to hate Hamas and uh maybe Palestinians I don't know I don't think most Israelis do but

1:23:16Hamas for sure okay and so it doesn't even like The Human Experience is Con it doesn't matter which side of the

1:23:24fence you're born on you're going to believe you're going to [ __ ] identify with whatever World experience you're

1:23:31going under I don't disagree with you we've already established this so now I ask you this um I I genuinely the major

1:23:41point of contention that you and I have in this process is I think it is frivolous and I think it is

1:23:48unproductive to uh find uh numerous people that may or may not have

1:23:55even openly condemned Hamas time and time again and be like you're bad you're bad you're wrong for saying this like sure they're wrong but what but that

1:24:04doesn't change the reality the ground I don't think it's fair to characterize it as like a few Rogue tweets I mean I I

1:24:11because ultimately this was a lot of people no I get it but people tweeting whatever the [ __ ] right does not change

1:24:19does not stop bombs from falling people tweeting isra perspective bro that's all I'm saying I know but the Israeli

1:24:27perspective if tomorrow the Israeli perspective shifted and was like I mean 85% of the [ __ ] Israeli population

1:24:34currently thinks that Benjamin Netanyahu is the reason why 2,000 Israelis died 85% of the Israeli population right now

1:24:42in according to the Jerusalem Post in the latest and let's all [ __ ]

1:24:45remember that when talking about Israelis yes so some of them though obviously think they should be more more brutal some of them think that Benjamin

1:24:54netanyahu's occupation a much smaller percentage think that the occupation is responsible for this violence now having said

1:25:02that do they have a say can they unseat Benjamin nahu is he going to jail no of course not he's being tried actually and

1:25:10the well exactly which is why he had which is why he built a coalition with [ __ ] benir and all the other farri fre he was being he was actually being

1:25:17tried for fraud or some crazy [ __ ] yeah even more far-right Freaks and many people are calling for his resignation he is not going to do that uh it's not

1:25:26going to happen even even if he resigns think about it this way on 86% said that the attack from Gaza is a

1:25:34failure of leadership yeah 86 I yeah that's what I said and by the way this is this is just this is Jewish citizens

1:25:42so this isn't even including obviously the Arab Israelis and people who people who watch this show know when you when we do polls and it's 86% that's

1:25:51basically everybody yeah yes exactly 100% like uh who the [ __ ] is dick riding Netanyahu in that point because like

1:25:59from either angle even if you think like Palestinian should be ethnically cleansed or you think Palestinian should uh the the occupation should end for the

1:26:07security purposes of Israeli citizens it doesn't matter you're still going to arrive at that conclusion that it is Benjamin nyu's fault because the power

1:26:15player in the situation is what matters the power player in the situation is entirely responsible the situ

1:26:22for example in Afghanistan with the Taliban numbers not withering away but instead growing in popularity during the

1:26:30American occupation is a perfect example of what happened uh and is a perfect example of what's Constant with occupying forces and with their violent

1:26:39means of subjugating humiliating and murdering the population you [ __ ]

1:26:44kill uh [ __ ] who was it even even that I forget who this was but uh I remember someone saying like look in in

1:26:53200 uh in in 2014 or in 2004 time and time again whenever bombing campaigns

1:27:00, 27 minutesoccur and people die and children die you know their relatives are still alive the ones that are still alive are going to go well I know who [ __ ] bomb me I

1:27:09know who [ __ ] killed my family I know who [ __ ] dropped bombs on my house I'm not going to forget that that is at

1:27:16the at the heart of the matter and and a real reconciliation with that means uh

1:27:24completely going back on on uh on on 75 years of of brutal occupation and

1:27:31policies that were deemed necessary at the time for Israeli security that absolutely was just a cynical way to

1:27:39justify taking more and more land from Palestinians who had no say who who have never had a say in the conversation

1:27:47until and still to this day have no say I mean seriously the resilient of of Palestinian people all around the world

1:27:54the 5 million displaced 2 million living in Gaza and another 2.5 million living in the West Bank is unimaginable they've

1:28:01never had allies they've always had imperfect allies and allegiances with people that are just simply only interested in destabilizing Israel like

1:28:10I don't think IR just [ __ ] wants to use them as a I don't think Iran gives a [ __ ] about like Palestinians being free I think it's very cynical and and uh and

1:28:18and they have nothing they have nothing they've never had anything it is there is no equivalence here uh between uh the

1:28:26the well-oiled military machine of the the Israeli Army that has gotten $264

1:28:33billion in in uh American taxpayer dollars to continue its operations um it's just not there is no there's an

1:28:42asymmetry to the violence and there's also an asymmetry to the conversation where um Palestinians like living in

1:28:49[ __ ] Gaza uh are being called by the BBC and while bombs are being dropped on their [ __ ] heads the BBC anchor is

1:28:56like callously being like do you condemn the Hamas violence it's and by the way that's [ __ ] stupid it's like [ __ ]

1:29:02insane and they never and I don't I don't want people to conflate what I'm saying BBC asking someone in Gaza taking

1:29:10bombs if they support us so here's the thing I've never ever in my entire life ever seen a couple things I've never

1:29:19seen the American government the state department ever say this was a provoked act of violence from uh Palestinians

1:29:27I've never SE seen that they always say it's unprovoked because it is supposed to be that violence is like they act like that violence was in a vacuum and I

1:29:34know you agree with me on this I don't think you disagree with me on this at all um they never say this was a provoked act of violence okay that is by

1:29:41Design and I've never seen somebody bring up an Israeli official okay to

1:29:48television uh when Gaza is being bombed and being reduced to Rubble or even when Gaza is not being bombed and the brutal

1:29:55occupation Still Remains and been forced to condemn the violent actions of the Israeli government I've never seen that

1:30:02I've never heard that I've never seen that and I don't think that that will ever happen because at the end of the

1:30:09day America wants a military base in the Middle East America wants a destabilizing force that they see uh in

1:30:17the Middle East America wants to keep selling weapons America still wants conflict the Western World still wants conflict and they use Israel to that to

1:30:26that end and and and they will continue doing this in 35 different states in the United States of America where all of

1:30:34these like free speech supposedly First Amendment defending states it is illegal to ask to boycott and ask to make

1:30:43divestments and to ask to sanction the state of Israel it is illegal it is you cannot hold a position as a school

1:30:52teacher without signing a [ __ ] thing that says I will never participate in the peaceful

1:31:00, 31 minutesdemand that you want to boycott devest or put sanctions on the state of Israel what what countries is that in in the

1:31:08United States of America 35 States oh 35 States 37 as of now I believe but 35 as of 2021

1:31:17that's the APAC wrote that legislation they they helped push it they wrote the legislation there is no comparison and

1:31:25by the way conservative uh support for Israel is about as cynical as it gets because abely their whole their whole

1:31:33worldview is that uh the Jews are guarding Israel until Jesus comes back and when he does he's going to kill all

1:31:40the Jews yes it is a suicide cult it is a suicide cult the the assumption that like uh from The River To The Sea uh The

1:31:48Chosen sons and and Daughters of God will uh maintain Israel and therefore Jesus Christ will come down and defeat

1:31:55Shayan and megiddo is a psychotic suicidal cult yet that is the reason why

1:32:02not American Jews but Evangelical Christians Evangelical Protestants are the number one Defenders of the Israeli

1:32:09occupation they are the ones who push for it they're the ones who [ __ ] fund the psychopathic settlers that you pointed out that they are the ones who

1:32:18uh open up 501 c3s so ta yeah no I think yes of course

1:32:26Christians play a gigantic role in this I mean it was the [ __ ] British that that uh propped up Zionist brigades yes

1:32:34I mean still I mean in a way though it is like you know it all comes back to the bridge doesn't it you know if if you're coming out of World War

1:32:42II uh at the Holocaust and you're being offered Land by Britain and your uhoh hold on your camera's out I'm going to go pee I'm going to go pee while you're

1:32:51gone oh no now I'm censored I'm [ __ ]

1:32:54winning this argument I'm not taking a pause to pee well they can hear me right

1:33:01yeah so I was I so any anyway I'll I'll continue my point as you guys work it out I was

1:33:09saying that you know coming out of the Holocaust you can hardly blame

1:33:15people uh who are offered land in their uh his historic uh religious uh most

1:33:25important religious spot by the British are hardly going to say no to that like you know it's just Again The

1:33:35Human Experience who what group of people would have said nah that's not cool right and then important to note

1:33:42that those same British simultaneously also promised the Arabs in Palestine estate there yeah they were

1:33:50literally offering conflicting offers to two different groups of people again when people I do think when

1:33:59people try to like people try to reduce this conflict uh as something that's not simple it's

1:34:07something that's so easy to understand I don't think is entirely fair I really don't like the the the war crimes the

1:34:16murder all the [ __ ] that's happening is

1:34:22is obvious and easy and and easy to point to Israel but if you're talking about like the establishment of Israel

1:34:31the long long long feuds over the land going back 75 years with again as Dan was saying the British went to the Jews after the

1:34:40Holocaust and said you guys want to live in Jerusalem and they're like uh [ __ ]

1:34:44yeah and then they were lobbying for it for a long time too they wanted that but yeah but they they the green light right they

1:34:52got the green light but yeah by by the by all the United Nations uh uh or whatever the League of Nations whatever the [ __ ] they or I don't know it was UN

1:35:00, 35 minutesit was uh yeah and in fact uh originally it was the League of Nations but no it was the UN had just been established after World War II

1:35:07which is what set up the state and what when I was looking when I was doing kind of a deep dive on all this history in

1:35:13the past week um I was shocked to see I I I I guess I maybe knew this at one point but the USSR was in support of it

1:35:21too one of the very few times that you want to know who United States and the USSR were on board with each other you want to know who else a big time

1:35:28supporter too China China is a major Ally and a major trade partner to Israel

1:35:35yes ABS [ __ ] PA was Junior was talking about oh really yeah the co was it was doesn't affect the Jews chines

1:35:43yeah no it it's not it so so you know remember that uh when when you when people in the chat will say like a you

1:35:51uh major defender of China no I I think that China is also uh not exactly a [ __ ] equal party here or one that is

1:36:00, 36 minutesadvocating for reasonable Solutions I think that uh there is a reason why they are not saying anything they're not coming out with like big uh declarations

1:36:09as they normally would uh in an effort to be like look at America being [ __ ]

1:36:12imperialist again or whatever um just to finish my point when you were in the bathroom is that I think it's unfairly reductive to

1:36:21say it's not complicated you know going back to the establishment of Israel the duplicity the English to going back to

1:36:30the skirmishes and all the there's been atrocities on both sides from the beginning okay obviously Israel has

1:36:38continued to take more and more as they've enjoyed the benefit of funding and support from the International

1:36:46Community but to write it off as like the Israelis are just genocidal is in is unfairly reductive I

1:36:56don't think that Israelis are genocidal even though there are certainly Israelis that are genocidal there are Americans that are genocidal Palestinians are

1:37:04genocidal like see just saying everyone's there's people who are I'm just saying yeah sure but there there are everybody has genocidal Mania I

1:37:12think that like is that B8 does that bother you that I said of course of course there but but the reason why I think it's like laughable

1:37:20is because like which direction is the genocide happening bro I know you know what I mean like it's it's usually I I don't

1:37:28think I think that you have moral Clarity overall which is why uh this is a much more charitable conversation but

1:37:36I think plenty of people do not have that moral Clarity and when they are using the condemn Hamas uh condemn Hamas

1:37:43line it's not necessarily to get get uh your perspective it's to deflect away from you talking about uh Palestinian

1:37:51emancipation and all of the wrongs even though everything you're saying is right yeah to diminish this idea that there

1:37:59are Palestinians terrorists mostly I'm not saying all Palestinians I don't think most Palestinians even support

1:38:07Hamas um that saying that Palestinians who want uh genocide of

1:38:15Jews isn't relevant because again it affects the Israeli paranoia it affects the Jewish paranoia the paranoia psyche

1:38:23the Israeli psyche so like even though it's absurd you say that's silly because the the Israelis are doing the

1:38:31genocide still [ __ ] feeds into the pathology of what it means to be an Israeli yeah I I understand where you're

1:38:40coming from but ultimately uh you know getting getting swept away in in demanding condemnations over and over again again is entirely unproductive and

1:38:49also not reflective of the the americ popul attitudes towards defense of Israel and

1:38:57and occation I don't think that's a fair assessment of what I'm asking what I'm saying okay well maybe I'm misunder understanding what you're saying you're

1:39:05say you're saying but like there is the expectation of constant condemnation of Palestinians against Hamas is not what

1:39:12I'm advocating for if you if you want just to be totally clear cuz I know people think that about me if you want to talk about

1:39:21if right now uh you want to talk about Palestinian emancipation whether you are Jewish or whether you are uh Arab

1:39:30whether you are Muslim it does not matter if you talk about Palestinian emancipation at any point during this endless occupation and senseless

1:39:39brutality you are immediately met with condemn Hamas why do you love Hamas why do you want to not support that that's a

1:39:47different thing I okay I just want to make that clear you and I having this back and I just want to make it clear because people think that's what I think

1:39:55and I want to make it clear that what I'm saying is different entirely to expecting everyone to constantly condemn

1:40:03Hamas that's not what I think people need to do you think what you you have uh you have a different perspective on

1:40:10the matter that is not widely shared in the western world and that is no better demonstrated by uh the actions that people are taking against the [ __ ]

1:40:20Harvard Students Association versus like what the Israeli paper of Records perspective is which is identical to

1:40:28said har sad part about what you said is that you say westerners don't agree with that and you're right but a lot of

1:40:36Israelis do and that's [ __ ] up that people you know what I mean because they because that's not what people see okay even

1:40:44though now that we now that we've established that though now that we've established that do you now do you understand that what I mean when I say

1:40:51there's a double standard with with uh the the callous indifference that people demonstrate to to the death toll over

1:41:00, 41 minutesand over again I mean we're talking about dudes that literally Benjamin n yahu when in 2008 people living under brutal

1:41:09occupation in the world's largest open air prison in Gaza where 2 million people live and and 47% of that

1:41:15population is under the age of 14 14 and under okay where they're water electricity like you also pointed out is

1:41:22controlled by Israel um they did a peaceful uh uh March a demonstration uh

1:41:30for a right to return thousands of children babies and

1:41:37and adults alike were ruthlessly shot at by Israeli snipers in that right to

1:41:44return as they walked and demonstrated and walked towards that fence okay walked towards that border fence that

1:41:51traps them inside of Gaza thousands this while that was happening

1:41:58if you had seen or maybe you weren't paying attention maybe you didn't see this the the media coverage of the matter was some of the most disgusting I

1:42:07have ever seen while that was happening the Trump Administration was pushing to further Annex Jerusalem and offer it in its entirety and recognize it as uh

1:42:15Israeli which is of course a major point of contention and has never been never been allowed by the international

1:42:22Authority completely unjustifiable inhumane immoral okay so on the one hand uh the the Trump Administration

1:42:30alongside the Israeli government were celebrating this action on the other hand on the other side of the on the other side of Israel proper you had

1:42:38babies being [ __ ] slaughtered Medics uh press journalists and there's a double standard yes absolutely now hold

1:42:46on this is really important this is really important to understand okay if you demonstrate peacefully and

1:42:56get slaughtered and then Benjamin nety who goes on television and says callously these are telegenic dead

1:43:04children Palestinians have telegenic dead children if former Israeli ambassadors are going on TV and saying

1:43:13Hamas is using these babies as meat Shields that that somehow Israel is like RoboCop or this like force that that

1:43:22simply cannot stop itself from butchering slaughtering [ __ ] gin and it's always in the hands of Hamas and

1:43:28and that is the the constant position in both American Media and it is reflected in polling over and over again where

1:43:35more than 50% of Americans uh side with Israel on the Israeli Palestinian conflict and only 9% of Americans

1:43:43actually side with Palestinians on the Israeli Palestinian conflict constantly going back and forth about like what uh

1:43:50the the the DSA Affiliated organization doing like a free Palestine uh demonstration or whatever in the

1:43:57aftermath of October 7 and and and saying that feels like you're in defense of Hamas sweaty is unproductive and it

1:44:06also doesn't even reflect anything it doesn't reflect the reality we know that in the Western World you know it's like it's emotional

1:44:14you just can't blame people for seeing that get but if you recognize that then you recognize you see a sea of of I

1:44:23stand with Israel I stand with Israel Israel must ethnically cleanse Gaza degrees of people saying that I

1:44:30always have then how are how are Muslims in America that uh have lived in in a massive surveillance state post 911 how

1:44:38are Muslims in the western world who are constantly treated like [ __ ] dogs who literally are used as a political Pawn even though their homes have been

1:44:46destabilized by America's unjustifiable post 911 actions in the form of the war on terror how are they

1:44:53supposed to think oh well I guess everybody wants us [ __ ] dead I guess everybody wants the Palestinians to die everyone thinks that this is the normal

1:45:01position everyone thinks this is the constant position like of course they are going to look at that and think the

1:45:08the exact same things that you're saying uh Israelis are feeling the exact paranoia that Israel is feeling and

1:45:15quite frankly if we look at the asymmetry of violence if we look at the displacements if we look at the the subjugation the brutal Colonial

1:45:23occupation of not only Palestinians but many other Muslim countries that have also been ruthlessly occupied and and slaughtered by Western Coalition forces

1:45:32it is perfectly understandable and well within the right of Muslims will look at that and be understandably paranoid and

1:45:40not necessarily uh uh paranoid thinking that you know you are going to have Hamas forces do a second Holocaust in

1:45:47Israel when the exact opposite is happening to pales Ians right

1:45:54now do you disagree no okay all right that's why I think it's unproductive that a lot of not you but like

1:46:02especially so many liberals in America are like oh man the Optics of this look really bad and also uh you know Palestinians really [ __ ] up their

1:46:10chances uh of emancipation it's like you're you you have to be oblivious to the reality and I know you're not but

1:46:18others have to be oblivious to the real of the Palestinian existence to make such to make such callous takes to be

1:46:25like oh well Optics sweaty no the Optics in that situation just imply it does matter Optics do matter I know Optics

1:46:33matter but Optics don't matter because Optics matter in general but Optics do not matter when we talk about the plight of Palestinians because there's not a

1:46:41single person that is out there defending them in the Western World whether it be elected officials or whether it be people in the media and

1:46:49those who choose to do that those who choose to stand up and say no Palestinians deserve emancipation not I'm not saying uh you're not one of

1:46:58these people but those who do stand up and say that okay they get immediately

1:47:04cast as a terrorism Defender and I saw the the spiritual consequences of that in a post 911 America we are still

1:47:13living in the rubbles of Post 9 uh post 911 America and its attitude towards Muslims and its attitude towards Islam

1:47:21in general and and oh man it does seem like this is somehow even worse than

1:47:28that because I guess uh it didn't it didn't impact Americans directly so they can be even more bloodthirsty without

1:47:35any fear that there could be violent retaliation right I I think we both uh

1:47:42have set our peace on this and maybe we can move on to another topic now because there is other stuff I want to talk about B got mad at me I didn't actually

1:47:51watch that yet are we going to get to the Taylor Swift film soon hold on there is stuff yeah we'll get to that okay um this great March of return is [ __ ]

1:48:01crazy though just reading about this [ __ ]

1:48:07hund does it say you talking about 2018 March the the freedom the right to return I'm I'm just reading about it 40

1:48:16kids 190 Palestinians were killed you know what the ID official account posted and then deleted shouts out to

1:48:25betm one more time wonderful organization okay wonderful Israeli organization by the way um they they

1:48:32captured it uh before the before IDF deleted it CU this shows the IND difference what did they tweet they said

1:48:39every single bullet was accounted for here read out read out the the casualty reports says 190 Palestinians were

1:48:47killed 40 kids thousands were m were injured there's videos of IDF snipers

1:48:54filming like putting their phone like this propped up against the Optics sniping a child killing them hitting

1:49:03them in the head celebrating that his legs flew up in the air as he was shot and others around them celebrating

1:49:11that's [ __ ] I mean yeah that's that's demonic so when you see that when you experience that and then the American

1:49:18dogs in American media refuse to reckon with that violence and instead turn around and have former Israeli officials

1:49:26say these are uh you know these are these are Hamas backed operatives like the [ __ ] 2-year-old or four-year-old you know the pregnant mother that was

1:49:34shot these are Hamas operatives that that deserve to be [ __ ] killed for peacefully demonstrating what do you do

1:49:41what can you do no one hears you and you're constantly backed into a corner you are going to retaliate that is of

1:49:49course going to happen and Israel needs to understand that the Israelis government they need to understand that and that's you know it's like it's that

1:49:57Mutual empathy like Israelis need to understand why Hamas is attacking them if they can't understand that then there's no nobody can be helped I mean

1:50:05it's just it's it's it's insane to to not see their perspective the the major

1:50:12thing here is that I think I think uh I mean this is a this is there's a reason why uh is did not

1:50:20have local media go to the kutas that you were talking about that were slaughtered they they originally went immediately they said we're having

1:50:29Foreign Press come here mhm right there was a reason for that because they know that internally uh the the opinion of

1:50:38the Israeli population currently doesn't matter the the the Western uh opinion I the I think the Israeli opinion on the

1:50:45massacre is pretty unified dude well what they specifically what they say about that that is that they

1:50:52don't everybody already hold on one Seca okay go ahead they're saying everybody is already in such grief and broken that

1:51:01they don't need to show this terrible uh footage but I mean they're saying it's important for the world to see what happens so that's why yeah

1:51:10they're doing propaganda it's like it's not surprising is it yeah no it's not but I'm just saying that like I think

1:51:18that there I think is more they're not like putting the bodies there and like putting them in [ __ ] up ways saying at all it's not that cynical

1:51:27to send in the Press I think that not cynical at all that in that case I think that the coverage from certain Israeli

1:51:34Outlet on the matter is is more critical on the Netanyahu Administration and showing that I think and and like the

1:51:42the interviews that I've seen as well uh of the parents [ __ ] uh demanding basically uh kick taking out uh Israeli

1:51:51uh concent members that are visiting the hospitals yelling at them telling them to [ __ ] off telling them that this is their fault I think that like there's

1:51:59two different reasons for obviously that level of anger some of which say you did this to us by by you know being uh more

1:52:07brutal and and that this violence of course is is uh going to be a constant and it's going to be a violent retaliation and then there's also the

1:52:15people that are saying you are you are not violent enough right but ultimately everyone is critical of the Israeli government at this point from different

1:52:22angles and I think that's the reason why they care more about like uh they care more about the Western media's opinion than anything else because they don't

1:52:30want to repeat the mistakes that happened last time in both 2018 and also uh the the uh Sharin Abu akle uh uh

1:52:39murder uh again in the hands of an Israeli sniper that the Israeli government said was actually Palestinians and Western media

1:52:47immediately disproved that uh and and and then what did the IDF do what did the IDF do I don't know when a a

1:52:55wonderful when a wonderful voice for good a Christian woman a Christian Palestinian and an American citizen

1:53:02Shireen Abu akle was murdered as she was on her way uh to to uh one of these

1:53:10refugee camps she had a press vest on she had a press helmet on she was shot in the neck so that she could be

1:53:17assassinated okay this was a this was a major issue they wanted to

1:53:28do sorry is this this this is really

1:53:48up they they went to her funeral and beat the [ __ ] out of people

1:53:55and ripped the Palestinian flag off of

1:54:08her Palestinians can't have a moment of Peace in this [ __ ] world they can't even mourn the

1:54:18Dead sorry the IDF went in and beat this [ __ ]

1:54:27out of the Palestinians that were mourning her at her funeral that were holding her casket and ripped the

1:54:34Palestinian flag off of her casket how is that how is that allowed

1:54:42how can how can that continue how do you not see that that's in the West Bank this is a Christian woman this is not not a Muslim this is

1:54:50not Hamas this is a journalist that was beloved in the Muslim

1:54:57world and she was assassinated for speaking out and trying to shine a light on the

1:55:10atrocities it's hard to to look it's very hard to hold my composure on this this is something I've

1:55:17talked about for years and years but when that kind of ruthlessness sound like [ __ ] Jordan

1:55:26Peterson when he talks about men Jesus Christ when that when that kind of

1:55:35brutality is so normal so normalized when that's the everyday existence of Palestinians in the supposed

1:55:42collaborative project with the Israeli government how can you expect them to do anything but but violently retaliate

1:55:50there's no there's no end in sight for this and now you have cynical pieces of [ __ ] on social media if you're want to

1:55:57talk about social media and people saying stuff in on social media you have cynical liberal commentators that supposedly Adorn the politics of radical

1:56:06emancipation saying oh how wonderful that that that Joe Biden is trying to create a an exit Corridor a humanitarian

1:56:15Corridor for those who are being bombed in Gaza right now to escape through Egypt that's still ethnic displacement

1:56:22that is not humanitarian it is completely unjustifiable completely there is no equivalent there is no moral

1:56:30equivalence there is no equivalence whatsoever and there is no symmetry in the way that this is covered in the western media and that is by Design they

1:56:39refuse to show Palestinians as humans and they have very successfully been able to dehumanize

1:56:47them there are voices out there there are voices in Israel there are voices out there who who see it who see the

1:56:55brutality who see the endless humiliation that Palestinian people have endured and I stand with them and I

1:57:04don't care I will always stand with them even if even if there is a moment of violent

1:57:10retaliation okay they have nothing they have no allies they have nothing in the world and and people celebrate

1:57:20their destruction it's happening right in front of our eyes it's there's nothing there's no equivalent it is so

1:57:28horrifying that this can happen in the supposed only democracy in the Middle East the the the supposed Beacon of

1:57:38prosperity in a sea of barbaric Arabs right who do Mass rapes and and and love to to behead

1:57:48people all of these some of which are true by the way I know all of these are

1:57:54racist canards specifically to heighten the the tensions and to justify what

1:58:02Israel is doing in broad daylight in moments that the world even chooses to care about uh about paying attention to

1:58:11what's going on in Gaza that's why I wanted to make the distinction that what goes on in the West Bank

1:58:20this this is constant this is every day for Palestinians every day it's

1:58:27crazy like I know it's you know you can say like oh landback movements are supposed to be uh uh violent or whatever

1:58:37but there's nothing more violent than this this is the violence it's just that it

1:58:45is it's legalized it is state-backed so we are not trained to see it as a

1:58:54violent act that's the difference it's only violent or it's only terrorism when it's a non-state actor or a foreign

1:59:02adversary that engages in it and that's why if you look at the the United

1:59:09Nations if you look at British or or uh European authorities that have spoken

1:59:15out correctly condemned Russian atro ities in Ukraine you will hear silence

1:59:22when it comes to Israel and what Israel has done and what Israel continues to do to

1:59:30Palestinians disgusting sorry no you I think I can

1:59:37say I I don't know seeing this it's fine I'm good I'm good seeing this and hearing you talk

1:59:46about it I do ah probably feel like I haven't

1:59:55been as empathetic with the uh Palestinian experience

2:00:02as having you know what I mean like I can fully acknowledge that I haven't been 100% empathetic with that and that

2:00:10you know my perspective is different or I mean not not right but I I just I'm just saying like seeing this and seeing

2:00:17you react makes me feel like you know some of the dealings I've had with

2:00:24people on Twitter and stuff is like even though I disagree is probably not empathetic enough towards

2:00:34the towards their this perspective this is really

2:00:45sad this is just this is just a very uh uh you know it's just one example of

2:00:53many it's every life is important like you know the the Israeli lives are important too I I I recognize that it's

2:01:01just that there is there is no there's no one out there that will speak out and

2:01:08and those who do are immediately branded as as supporters of terrorism I'm not saying you're doing that Ethan but but the reality is when you have when you

2:01:18have the audacity as like a journalist in British Media or a journalist in American Media

2:01:25to sit across the desk from someone whose family has been murdered and to say do you condemn the violence of Hamas

2:01:34when you have never asked an Israeli official if they condemn the ongoing occupation when you turn a blind eye to

2:01:42it I'm sorry I don't give a [ __ ] what like some random person said about landback movements being violent on

2:01:48Twitter because one is the entire State one is the entire media apparatus the

2:01:55other is some [ __ ] person on Twitter and I don't know what the full

2:02:02scope of their perspective is but I can tell you I know the full scope of the perspective of mainstream media and the

2:02:09[ __ ] dogs in America and and the [ __ ] violent dogs in in uh all of the

2:02:18European nation with the exception of Ireland that have regularly supplied weapons turned a

2:02:25blind eye to the atrocities and still to this day cynically and in the most disgusting way declare that any kind of

2:02:35anti-zionist sentiment no matter who speaks it could be Jews could be Arabs could be Palestinians could be Muslims is

2:02:43anti-Semitism it's it's so unimaginable you you have I mean you have people in

2:02:50in in uh England a a woman who or a man who had a Palestinian flag was seized by the

2:02:59authorities and was arrested now they're talking about possibly uh declaring the Palestinian flag to be a terrorist flag

2:03:07that conflation between Hamas and the Palestinians is the policy that is the policy that is

2:03:17cynically built up propped up and defended over and over again so that when babies are dying in Gaza when

2:03:25children are being slaughtered in Gaza when settlers spit on uh West Bank Palestinians and kill them and don't get

2:03:34punished and and uh as a matter of fact the families of said victims get punished when they're ruthlessly thrown out of their homes you can still always

2:03:42turn around and justify it by either turning a blind eye to the atrocities or only covering the atrocities when there

2:03:50is any sort of uh retaliation from Hamas or from the Palestinian side in

2:03:56general and then

2:04:03sorry and then we just say why won't you why won't you condemn the violence why won't you condemn the violence you are

2:04:10you are supporting Hamas um let's let's I got a pee okay I

2:04:21win the argument then I'm GNA button out that whole

2:04:27uh the whole last part yeah the whole last part okay

2:04:36um no I I feel like I definitely uh understand where you're coming from like I mean I a th%

2:04:46understand where you're coming from and I I do think I can acknowledge like I touched on before that I am capable of being more

2:04:55empathetic with with their exp their experience and I think I think you are more empathetic by an incredibly wide

2:05:03margin uh in comparison to the to the average to the average American uh uh even though they're of course and this

2:05:12does not reflect American Jewish people in general American Jews are are are uh at the for front of of demanding the end

2:05:21to the occupation to Jewish Jewish voice for peace if not now is another organization there are wonderful friends

2:05:29of mine that are regularly writing about this in very thoughtful ways um and have have never ceased their

2:05:37coverage it's it's you know it it's so it's so shitty it's so sad I

2:05:46don't know what else to say about it it look look there was another point I wanted to make but now I'm I'm I'm forgetting it

2:05:54let's do this let's okay let's enjoy this video and then I'm going to go pee and then we'll move on to another topic okay here this we never got to watch

2:06:02this this is the mashup of us having a fake conversation with each other yeah 5% of their targets were civilians okay

2:06:12did you not just see that they killed 700 people but it doesn't matter because they're not a [ __ ] real military they're disorganized and of course there were people who did some [ __ ] up ass

2:06:20[ __ ] and civilians died as a consequence of that too it's War innocent people die all right so let's bring the Iraqis out

2:06:27Iraqi Terr to your neighborhood and see if you care people murder everyone you love of course they did that and that is completely [ __ ] up there's like a cut

2:06:36while you're talking they do a really well I think they do a decent job of like at least interlacing your your audio so it actually does seem like I'm

2:06:44responding to I don't know it seems so farfetch but people are believing in it interesting this is wild it's wild when immediately after like how [ __ ]

2:06:54cynical is this man to create this people were saying I support Palestine and what they don't mean palestin the targets that theying killed they're

2:07:01military that's according to the Israeli numers even more than Israelis perhaps deserve to be uh burned alive by terrorists like bro do you know what

2:07:08life is like have you read a book have you like watched anything that isn't like pure zionis copian propag why don't you just make it easier why don't you

2:07:16just fly to uh Isis and do him a favor and just let him you know just Serve Yourself on a plat why is Israel so violent why do they not actually scale

2:07:26it back a little bit freaks blood I'm sitting here and being like Oh that's totally justifiable that's neighborh and they just start

2:07:34burning people Al killing people kidnapping kids abolutely bodies am much more interested in how

2:07:41that happened it's pretty [ __ ] uh I mean props I guess like if they had done it as a joke it' be wiing but to try

2:07:49I remember what I was going to say okay this is not about anything here but it's neither here nor there but um like you

2:07:56didn't know about the the 2018 numbers right the the March uh the the march to return no so you didn't know about that

2:08:04you didn't know about Shir know about akle and you are despite not knowing any of that and there are these are just

2:08:11some of the the the hundreds of examples uh there's a reason why you

2:08:19don't know even though you are empathetic and uh to the Palestinian plight okay there's a reason why you

2:08:26don't know though and I think that deserves examination why have you never heard of this do you want to know why

2:08:34because it will never get the same level of coverage that that uh that that you know the the the Israeli retaliation and

2:08:41the justification for it gets to be fair I haven't really been paying attention to the news until like very recently but

2:08:49well there's a lot of Americans but I'm not disagreeing with you just trying to defend my own ignorance no I I know I

2:08:57know it's just it's I hope that people that that are are

2:09:04faced with uh this reality have a a an empathetic a more empathetic

2:09:13approach rather than uh turn around and say they deserved it and and you deserve it too because you're a supporter of

2:09:19terrorism you're not doing that of course there are those who know about it and yet still push this line though but

2:09:27I do I am a firm believer that if the the media was uh a little bit less interested in manufacturing consent and and and creating a justification in the

2:09:36minds of Americans for ethnic cleansing of Palestinians that more people would most likely say this is

2:09:45unacceptable completely and utterly unacceptable all right I'm going to go to the bathroom I want to do all of this so it might take a while if you're okay with

2:09:53that fine but I think we're I mean I I think that we're having a good thing happening here so yeah we're we're

2:10:00, 10 minutessolving it I want to keep it going I mean yeah so I'll be right back I'm just going to go to the bathroom Hanan turn

2:10:06off his mic please yeah I I that's I apologize for being emotional I

2:10:15I definitely don't need to apologize this has been a this has been a a long uh past 3 4 days absolutely

2:10:24I yeah the there are certain St there are certain stories that that everyone holds

2:10:31on to you know there's a there's always a moment that is a a radicalizing moment for for many others like I said Gabor

2:10:39mate talked about his Palestinian friends who could not return to their homes when when uh

2:10:49any Jewish person can just go and and live in that house whereas uh those in the West Bank that have left are by

2:10:57State policy not allowed to return um I think that was his radicalizing

2:11:03moment um I don't know that's it's just it's it's really sad

2:11:10and we didn't even talk about the canary Mission I want Ethan's perspective on that especially because there are so many organizations that operate within

2:11:20American boundaries inside of the United States of America that do not have the [ __ ] smoke for Nazis and fascists and

2:11:29anti-semites that only uh that only have that smoke for random Palestinian nurses

2:11:38teachers and students these are organizations that work to docks and and uh

2:11:46threaten those who have been in support of Palestinians and we just turn an we just

2:11:54turn a blind eye to that completely most people don't know about it though and I think that's the reason why they turn a blind eye to it I think it's it's

2:12:02ridiculous mhm it's it's completely ridiculous um same with the boycott divestments and sanctions movement which

2:12:11was incredibly important in uh demanding the end of the apartheid in South Africa

2:12:18I think that the American government has learned its lesson from that uh former example and has moved very swiftly and

2:12:28very efficiently to make it virtually impossible to coexist uh or or have a

2:12:35job and keep a job while simultaneously uh holding the position

2:12:43that holding the position that uh you can uh defend Palestinians and and uh demand a boycott devest uh

2:12:52divestment and sanctions from the state of Israel do you know why it is that um that like I have to imagine that those

2:13:00, 13 minuteslaws that are on the books in 35 States about uh um making it illegal to support BDS um have been challenged by some

2:13:09groups on First Amendment grounds like how how how has that not gone to the Supreme Court yet or has it has there

2:13:17been a ruling on that um it just seems so blatantly not it's been challenged in one uh I think uh

2:13:25Abby Martin was one of the people that challenged it in one uh but but ultimately it still exists in like I

2:13:32said in in most in a lot of States 35 is most yeah it just yeah I don't know I guess I

2:13:40don't know what the status of any fights over that is but it it just seems so on its face unconstitutional I'm shocked

2:13:49that so many states have been able to pass that um Jerusalem Post posted this today over this stupid [ __ ]

2:13:57debate but they said the Jerusalem Post can now confirm un verified photos of the bodies that reports of babies being

2:14:05burnt and decapitated in hamas's assault on kafar AA the kabot are

2:14:12correct and that was such a god there was a lot of [ __ ] people being like for some reason they're like Hamas would

2:14:20never do that they would only Slaughter 1500 people they would only shoot a baby with a AK-47 as if that's not more as

2:14:27brutal I I I said this yesterday I talked about this quite a bit I think that um I think that the the the the

2:14:36coverage of this has been ridiculous like the the fact that first of all the fact that it was not verified until now is insane to me and the fact that it got

2:14:45all the way to the president who said I saw the photos when he had not seen it and just repeated it is wild like and

2:14:53and ultimately it doesn't matter what method of execution occurred when when children were slaughtered when babies were slaughtered it literally doesn't

2:15:01matter well that's why I always thought it was so silly when I would see leftist being like they they didn't rape anyone

2:15:09or decapitate any babies it's like I guess they're cool then I guess they're shot them yeah they're cool it does they

2:15:17seem kind of no this is why this conversation is is frivolous and I mentioned it time and time again yesterday that like okay the babies were

2:15:26not decapitated or they were but they're still killed so uh it is it is silly it's silly to have a back and forth on

2:15:34this however um the only reason as to why it's it's the only reason as to why uh the the assessment should be made

2:15:43later down the line on how quickly information that is not verified yet can spread all the way to the highest levels

2:15:50of of government and and what that serves what purpose that serves that part that part needs a a a close

2:15:57examination especially considering prior instances where uh not that it matters

2:16:04again it was true it's and it is true and it was ruthless and it was brutal it is [ __ ] ruthless and this is this is

2:16:12something that that needs to be uh this is something that that of course uh uh needs to be considered that is that the

2:16:21reason why people were were uh the reason why a lot of people at least I follow who have uh who have been

2:16:29covering this on the ground inside of Israel um and and some inside of Gaza as well uh was because of the the Kuwait

2:16:38baby incubator situation that occurred in the past where Amnesty International and the American authorities in the leadup to Operation Desert Storm said

2:16:46that the Iraqi soldiers were uh taking babies out of their incubators and like tossing them and like killing them which

2:16:52is like incredibly brutal right in that circumstance that was completely not real that had not happened at all and

2:17:01and Amnesty International went in and and looked at it and there was even a a a there was even an eyewitness testimony

2:17:09that was offered in Congress that was just a complete falsehood a complete fabrication and that played a role in in justifying it to Americans that like we

2:17:17have to invade and I think that's the reason why cuz American the American government has done this before I think that's the reason why people thought

2:17:25that this was the exact same situation however it wasn't the exact same situation because the baby incubator story was false whereas babies were

2:17:33still killed in this circumstance so it's doesn't matter yeah it doesn't matter but the truth is though that this is not going to help anything this is

2:17:41this is going to be this is going to fuel a lot of a lot of bad feelings this this being and here's the thing right um

2:17:51like even if even if those babies weren't beheaded let's say right or they weren't uh

2:17:59decapitated whether by gunfire or directly with knives or whatever which is I can't believe we're having this conversation it's so [ __ ] ridiculous

2:18:07um okay they still died it's not like the the the Israeli government was uh going to do anything different you know

2:18:15what I mean right like or it's not like the people on the people that are receiving this information were going to feel differently like the the the goal

2:18:24there is is only the goal there is to is to absolutely demand verification because you have to do that because in

2:18:32the fog of War there is so much misinformation that gets presented um and and the media should do their [ __ ] jobs

2:18:39100% and and uh and I I do I do have criticisms on on that front but it's ridiculous to have a a constant back and

2:18:48forth on this when nothing will change and and nothing's going to bring those children back all right here's what I

2:18:56want to do I'm going to move on uh in the interest of fairness because part of what I want to do today is call out some

2:19:03really [ __ ] nasty [ __ ] I've seen but in the because I want to be consistent and do it all around and these people

2:19:10are just as deserving if not more to be called out I have a I have a compilation of all the really [ __ ] up [ __ ] that

2:19:19Western uh politicians mostly politicians some here like this guy I mean this is a rally you

2:19:29know this is a pro-israel protest in New York I mean just listen to what this guy has to say to my dick what do you think

2:19:38the response should be from Netanyahu and the military to God kill Palestinians all of them now so like

2:19:45that's crazy obviously thank you yeah I mean it's it's bar to just say that on camera yeah why would why would there is

2:19:54a level of comfort in saying that more so than saying um kill all Israelis K all Jews yeah of course there's

2:20:03definitely there's definitely way more uh acceptation there right into the camera no mask his face is there he

2:20:10probably got why would you say that is that that might be a Kahana flag I think too the one that he's putting up that one left from The River To The Sea will

2:20:19be deceased and Israel need to do like this oh then this this whole [ __ ] yeah I've heard this a million

2:20:27times um but anyway so that was one I just want to blast through these the the the flag that I think he's po uh the flag that I think is waving is a is a

2:20:35Kahana flag uh which is of course uh the the uh Psychopathic

2:20:42terrorist cult super right led by led by the the insane uh mayor

2:20:50Kahan uh the rabbi which itamar benir is is a part of

2:20:56his cult and is a defender of here is um Lindsey Graham the [ __ ] Dem by way

2:21:04that's a that's a terrorist organization by American Standards literally America has declared uh that to be a terror organization as a terrorist organization

2:21:13by Israeli standards as well and that that is the reason why bangir was not allowed to serve in the IDF so remember

2:21:20that like you know no matter how how uh conservative uh or no matter how Ultra Zionist you might be even Israeli like

2:21:29even Israeli conservatives are like that's too far that's too [ __ ] up now that guy runs the police force and Benjamin Netanyahu gave him a petorian

2:21:36guard or said for it offered him concessions on uh building out a petorian guard specifically for him then

2:21:44yaho is going to be remembered like it the man he wanted this Legacy of being Israel's protector so bad he served for

2:21:51what like 13 years people are going to spit on his [ __ ] grave dude anyway here's um Lindsey Graham on

2:22:01Fox News international news the most popular news Show on in America I think we're in a religious War here I am with

2:22:08Israel do whatever the hell you have to do to defend yourself level the place we're in a religious War psychotic so

2:22:17but you the the guy the first guy that we showed and and what uh he's saying is

2:22:23also exactly what's going on in Gaza so that that is why I always say there is no equivalence here like there is no as

2:22:32much and sorry there is no power or or no like serious uh uh no genuine

2:22:40and voice that is is channeling this kind of want and indifference and this kind of of of like callous celebration

2:22:49of like genociding all Jewish people which is completely unjustifiable of course uh like there is there is no

2:22:57equivalent on on the the there's no equivalent on the on the Palestinian side right and it's not it's not represented in the OR reflected in any

2:23:06way at all I I I understand what you're saying and the crazy thing here is that these people are posting it on their

2:23:14social medias didn't Nikki Haley post this on her YouTube Lindsay gr posted that clip that [ __ ] clipped that cuz

2:23:21you if he posted that on Twitter yeah so it's not it's not just it's not just Republicans by the way Democrats have

2:23:30said similar Democrats have said similar things as well I mean uh what's his name from the problem call uh problem solvers

2:23:38cus gottheimer Josh gimer um they were having a they were having a closed door meeting and he could be heard screaming

2:23:45that like you know all Muslims what was it that's a Democrat all here I'll show you I I'll I'll I'll read meanwhile here

2:23:52let me play this Nikki Haley uh video message to Netanyahu and what we have to understand is this is the reason that we

2:24:00, 24 minuteshave to unite around making sure our enemies do not hurt our I do have to say also looking at this it strikes

2:24:08me as a little bit silly that they're showing God damn it it's so [ __ ] slow

2:24:16that they're showing like a you know essentially a hole in the

2:24:21ground as evidence for you know the damage the damage that Hamas has done

2:24:30versus like the shots of Gaza where like literally entire city blocks are demolished it is it does it does strike me as a little [ __ ]

2:24:40goofy sure our enemies do not hurt our friends America can never be so arrogant to think we don't need friends just like

2:24:49we needed them on 911 that's why Ukraine needs us when Russia is doing this that's why Israel needs us when there's like some playground politics that is

2:24:57that is the most disgusting that is the most disgusting comparison like the the the fact that every [ __ ] Ukrainian

2:25:05official has come out and been like wow what Palestinians are doing is exactly what the Russians are doing to Ukraine

2:25:13is so [ __ ] oh my God I don't even want to get into it okay I let me finish this video yeah yeah yeah yeah dogs Hamas and Iran are doing this and I'll

2:25:21say this to to prime minister Netanyahu finish them finish them Hamas did this you know I mean that's [ __ ] crazy and

2:25:30I mean the stat again the result of this [ __ ] of these terrorist attacks is basically you know the world the Western

2:25:38World being like here's your blank check to kill as many [ __ ] Palestinians as you want it's it's so 911 again it's so

2:25:46scary it's it's this is um this only works when uh

2:25:54only one side of the conflict gets coverage in the eyes of the American population they would do this on Fox

2:26:00, 26 minutesregardless um it only works because of uh the the insanely uh islamophobic

2:26:08sentiment that is just so commonplace since uh the post 911 universe that we exist in and uh not only

2:26:17that but also that's why the the conflation of Palestinians and Hamas is is one that is by Design because the

2:26:24victims are still the Palestinians not Hamas uh and and there's no way to effectively neuter or or destroy

2:26:34Hamas uh with an endless bombing campaign in Gaza the only way to the only way to destroy the influence that

2:26:43Hamas has is by starving it out and I don't mean literally by starving the entire Gaza Strip starving Hamas and

2:26:51ridding it of its influence requires you to treat Palestinians with dignity and offer them equality and and and and

2:27:00, 27 minutesfollow through on the the former promises that the International Community has made and turned a blind eye to to Israel not following their

2:27:08commitments on fully uh agree with what you said like again it's important for

2:27:15everyone to acknowledge that Hamas is the

2:27:21result of you know Israel's treatment of of of the Palestinians and it's just you're right if you the and I think it's

2:27:30obvious but I guess people don't want to confront it but the obvious solution is to don't

2:27:37give them a reason to turn to terrorists you know pretty obvious but there it is here's Marco Rubio there can

2:27:45be no ceasefire neg negotiated Solutions or peaceful coexistence with depraved barbarians who murder teenage girls

2:27:52children the elderly and then dump them in the streets of Gaza so bloodthirsty crowds can desecrate their bodies a must be must be eradicated and Israel must

2:28:01respond disproportionately in all caps to this and any future text from the I mean what he's doing here

2:28:09is like the Hamas the hamus the humus murderers are 1,00%

2:28:17barbarians who murdered children teenage girls which specifically he has a problem with he goes who murdered

2:28:25teenaged girls what about teenage boys we don't care about them just like it's a weird

2:28:34Focus right anytime anytime you call out teenage girls in any cont I'm going to

2:28:41raise an eyebrow hard drive he just likes them you know yeah by the way they but but to finish my point he was saying

2:28:47he's he's conflating Hamas who are bloodthirsty murderers to justify killing

2:28:57Palestinians disproportionately and again like I don't know if they like the videos that

2:29:04I saw that made me emotional before of the Palestinian dad you know with with his

2:29:10daughter hold holding her like this like she was like gray and [ __ ] dead like I month old baby like a beautiful

2:29:18newborn innocent beautiful child like I don't I don't know if and he's this this man I don't know if Marco

2:29:26Rubio uh has ever seen anything like that or if it would change him but I kind of imagine that seeing that would not have an impact on these [ __ ]

2:29:36ghouls to see what they're actually wishing for it it might not be impactful for Margo Rubio but it certainly would be impactful for many people who are

2:29:43completely uh oblivious to what's going on which is precisely the reason why that never gets any coverage uh this

2:29:51isn't to say that like uh Israeli civilian casualties are are uh acceptable or good it's just that uh

2:30:00, 30 minutesthere is coverage on that endlessly understandably and never any coverage on uh the the humanity of Gins

2:30:07I've talked about another uh aspect of this too we in the Western World live in the comfort of the Imperial core and and

2:30:16we live in a in a comfortable security blanket so for us if we live in like Connecticut or Iowa or whatever of

2:30:24course we empathize significantly more with uh Israelis that uh that were

2:30:31attacked by this this horde of of scary Muslims like of course we empathize with that on a spiritual level because we

2:30:38can't understand uh the the uh entire building blocks being removed it is far

2:30:45too alien for for us to comprehend the fear and and the reality of that kind of Devastation we look at that and we go oh

2:30:52this is just like Baghdad you know which is uh an enemy that deserved it in the minds of Americans so uh that is also

2:31:00, 31 minutesanother reason why uh I think Americans are immediately and unconditionally uh in support of you know uh the the Israel

2:31:11occupation here's Ben Shapiro I mean no surprise here obviously but still he's been banging for blood nonstop I mean

2:31:17here is a video the UN special uh reporter for human rights in Palestine we are horrified what's happening and we are calling for a truce and here's a

2:31:26video of you know Gaza being bombed by missiles and then Ben and His Infinite

2:31:32empathy and human nature told them that they can [ __ ] right

2:31:39off and like this is such all these people but looking at Ben I mean this

2:31:46such a lack of human empathy it it's like it's just [ __ ] evil man but

2:31:53there it is that's Benny boy and uh one more again no no surprises here but

2:31:59Charlie Kirk they these people betray principles of Judaism and and and

2:32:07centuries of Jewish history of always sighing with those who have been oppressed always being at the Forefront

2:32:13of social justice and and fighting for emancipation for all people it's it's really really really disgusting to see

2:32:22that 100% I didn't want to read this one so um basically uh showing all these goals

2:32:31feeling very comfortable with no push back expressing their desire for genocide and Western media

2:32:40um oh here is in an uh an Israeli uh hold on hold on what who said this okay

2:32:47so here it is in in Hebrew this was from an unnamed defense official told

2:32:54Israel's Channel 13 that the Palestinian territory home to more 2 million residents would be reduced to Rubble

2:33:01quote Gaza will eventually turn into a city of tents there will be no buildings the ground maneuver will surprise Hamas

2:33:10the official said in a stark warning to the terrorist group behind the weekend assault that killed more than 12200 is I mean the Israeli defense minister

2:33:18literally said we're shutting off the electricity we're shutting off the food supply I don't understand shutting off the water in the Gaza because we are not

2:33:26we're fighting Human animals or a better translation I think was beasts like but ultimately though that's Collective punishment it is a violation of the

2:33:34Geneva suggestions I don't want to call it conventions uh it is this has happened for far too long you can't attack the

2:33:43Press you can't attack uh uh you know you know Medics they they killed there was the there was the uh the the red

2:33:51crescent guy who was crying in his ambulance because he he he could not he had seen far too much death and

2:33:59destruction and a couple hours later he got bombed they allowed him to enter a sight of the rubble uh a sight of the

2:34:07the bombings and they bombed him and killed him like a couple hours later okay so direct directly just uh a

2:34:17violation at this time I want to turn my attention to some of the very evil takes I've

2:34:25heard uh some prominent folks making about Israelis here is one such example

2:34:33of a dude and this guy is very popular he has 1.6 million subscribers he is a

2:34:40very popular political YouTuber I can't anything called second thought sorry this my friend I like I like JT all

2:34:47right well you well then you tell me what you think about this um he said what's going on in occupied Palestine is

2:34:54unprecedented no doubt we'll have it on wait hold on I I don't have my glasses today it's just the I'm not going to be able to see it I just had to click on it

2:35:02so I can read it but go ahead you you can read it out you can read it out loud here you know what let me show you this is it on the Google Doc let me show you

2:35:09the video first you this will be easier for you he basically says the same thing here so here he is doing a podcast I've been on I think is is this de program

2:35:18I've been on the podcast I don't know what it's called but this is just a clip from yes so here so here's his take on

2:35:25this and let's listen s thank much he says did the Palestinians actually take civilian hostage or is that fake news um I don't

2:35:33care yeah the occupiers are not civilian first of all just straight off the bat the person that's talking is Hakim he is

2:35:40a a doctor in Iraq uh and and of course just to put this into a a a decent frame

2:35:47of reference for those uh who are unfamiliar I think he will probably have a much more uh ruthless position on the

2:35:56matter considering uh how he feels about American forces and what they've done to his this I'm pretty sure is all second

2:36:03thought no the one who said no I know I know I know but here thank much he says did the Palestinians actually take civilian hostage or is that fake news so

2:36:10wait who's talking there that's Hakim okay so so second thoughts the one who says I don't care and laughs I wait you

2:36:18say um I don't care the guy with the accent yeah that's hoim second thought is an American so second thought is the guy who's asking

2:36:27the question no Hakim is the one who read it he's reading it from chat it's a Super Chat did the Palestinians actually take civilian hostage or is that fake news um I don't care well anyway he agrees with him so let's just [ __ ]

2:36:38listen occup are not civilians that that is what it comes down to like if imagine

2:36:44like if if uh Germany let's say Germany to be non that's him right I think yeah I think so controversial not that it

2:36:52matters United States and they they said you know what Cincinnati Ohio is our ancestral home and you know everyone knows that's blatantly false but they

2:37:01they take your home they murder your grandma they bulldoze like your neighbor's house are those people civilians there no they're occupiers and

2:37:09those those are criminals that that is there are no civilians there in the According to second thought

2:37:16mhm he says that every Israeli is an occuper and there are no citizens there

2:37:23in response to deita two there are two different schools of thought here

2:37:30so the first is and the take in the comments is based the N yeah of course the

2:37:371948 uh believe that there's two different schools of thought within uh I would say anti-zionism uh those who

2:37:45believe that all matter of of settlements that were propped up even in the Inception of the Israeli nation state uh are are

2:37:53unjustifiable and that they are settlers that so they extend beyond your perspective that you agree with which is

2:38:00, 38 minutesWest Bank is uh a a a uh settler occupation I think it's an an extremely

2:38:08evil thing to say what he said let me ask you this no no no but do you think what he said is evil I I think it is one

2:38:16unproductive and two uh it does not meet the realities on the ground and it's not a a viable solution so saying so calling

2:38:25just to be clear calling babies no of course not Settlers of course of

2:38:32course babies so I just want to say I just to say this guy's a [ __ ] evil piece of [ __ ] for saying that can we can

2:38:39we can I uh can I ask you a question can I let me finish the video okay we we'll finish this but but I do have a question for you because I think agree with

2:38:46something I'm about to say yes let's just finish it and then we'll talk invaded the United States and they they said you know what Cincinnati Ohio is

2:38:53our ancestral home and you know everyone knows that's blatantly false but they they take your home they murder your grandma they bulldoze like your

2:39:01neighbor's house are those people civilians there no they're occupiers and those those are criminals that that is there are no civilians there in the

2:39:09illegal military occupation yeah yeah so that's number one I mean that's so callous it's kind

2:39:16of hard to [ __ ] even believe just how flippant he can be about calling babies militants that that are deserving to be

2:39:24killed um very beautifully put number two uh much more importantly um the track record of Palestinians has been a thousand times better than that of the

2:39:33Israeli occupation despite the fact that Israeli occupation does not need to brutalize they already have all the power um but they still choose to do far

2:39:40far far far worse um the worst that will happen to a person in Palestinian custody is that they're going to be uh um like auctions off for a prisoner swap

2:39:49which is the historic track record also um and of course he's not wrong about this this is the the original goal for

2:39:56the the military uh the the the Excursion at least if you believe I'm not I'm not exactly having a ton of

2:40:04faith in the dudes that decapitated babies to treating their PS really well well I think that's kind of a psychotic take too where it's like you're like

2:40:13it's like why are you trying to give Hamas the benefit the doubt on this one you know being like oh they treat their prisoners [ __ ] awesome you know let's

2:40:21let's let's not let's just you know let's not try to do that okay so but anyway and that combined with just the callous the

2:40:30laughter actually take civilian hostage or is that fake news um I don't care yeah the OCC okay and they're laughing about it uh let me ask you let me pose a

2:40:39question for you go ahead so you have said that uh those in the West Bank are fundamentalist settlers are are you are you familiar with the the international

2:40:48law uh surrounding uh the the the justifiable forms of uh violence towards so first of

2:40:56all I don't put much I don't put any stock frankly in whatever the these quote International laws are yeah it's but no I'm not familiar with whatever

2:41:05that says so technically the the reason why the IDF has to exist in the West Bank and behave in the oppressive manner

2:41:12that they behave is because Palestinians and this is is going to sound very radical and possibly very violent but

2:41:19this is a matter of Law and maybe even if you agree with this a matter of morality

2:41:27Palestinians uh have the the legal ground to violently seize back their own

2:41:35homes from the settlers this is a reality and that is precisely the reason why they have to exist under endless occupation in the west you know and

2:41:43that's why I say if it was sett that would be a lot more understandable but let's not off you skate okay I

2:41:52understand what you're saying but this dude just called babies militants no I I understand and there are baby settlers as well but there are baby settlers as

2:41:59well there are babies in the settlements but the babies that killed weren they were not I know okay so so now that we establish that no no hold on now that we

2:42:07establish that the the other school of thought here is that all matter of of uh

2:42:13Israelis living on Israel proper are a a uh that are they're also doing the exact

2:42:21same thing in the eyes of some I I do not agree with that because I don't think that that is a a reasonable

2:42:28solution and it's not realistic anyway and that only uh will will lead to the complete evisceration of Palestinians

2:42:36and and farri Israelis will use that to Contin to continuously radicalize uh uh just regular Israeli citizens in their

2:42:45endless bombing campaigns and ethnic cleansing campaigns and the brutal occupation this is uh why many thinkers

2:42:54I believe even including Norm finlin who has dedicated his entire life to speaking the truth about uh about

2:43:03Israel's occupation and Nom Chomsky and and uh and and many others even Edward say as I brought up earlier believe that

2:43:12uh the the deification uh or or the the displacement of

2:43:19Israelis from Israel proper Jewish Israelis is not a it's not justifiable and it's not

2:43:27realistic it's more so a a single state solution at least one that I advocate for because I know a lot of people advocate for the two-state solution I'm

2:43:35a one- stater which was there a question what I thought you said I have a question for you at the beginning of that I gave you the question you already

2:43:44answered it you said you I I know your position on on uh like violently seizing back uh your your land from settler

2:43:52occup that's not what they did though and that's talking no these guys or at least I assume second thought has the

2:44:01perspective that all matter of of Israel is all matter of Israel proper is considered settler occupation and he's

2:44:08evil for thinking that he is right after babies were murdered and decapitated say that let me read his further if he said

2:44:16this in 1949 I'd have a different opinion on the matter you can't say this in 2023 I agree let me read this thank you for agreeing uh what's going on in

2:44:25occupied Palestine is unprecedented no doubt will have W wall coverage of atrocities now that it's the genocidal settlers on the receiving end this is

2:44:32what Liberation struggle looks like solidarity and victory to the Palestinian people again just to put the

2:44:38timing in frame here he says no doubt we'll have W toall coverage when Israel

2:44:45responds this is while bodies are still bleeding well I guess the second part did come

2:44:53true he wasn't he wasn't wrong on the second part of that uh conversation at least okay solidary and victory to the pal which part are you referring to W

2:45:02toall coverage when his real response right but like and this is my problem so so as the bodies are [ __ ] uh still

2:45:10bleeding out and he's saying this is what Liberation struggle looks like beheading babies burning families alive

2:45:18solidarity and victory to the Palestinian people this is pro Hamas this man is supporting

2:45:26Hamas I think his position is that people that have been trapped and I can't speak for him and but you can if

2:45:33you want to talk to him I'm sure he would be uh willing to come on and and speak his peace uh I've already mentioned that I don't find this to be

2:45:41particularly helpful or productive as far as this conversation goes not because like I am tasked with defending the positions of other people or even

2:45:50criticize them it's more so that uh we know what is currently happening we are

2:45:56now 3 4 days removed from uh October 7 and and and we know what the retaliation

2:46:03looked like and we know what the occupation is looked like every single day that was obvious reaction so that's why I'm saying that's what I'm saying

2:46:11like a a a a YouTuber with uh hold on this guy's influential no I know Ethan but his influence is nothing in

2:46:20comparison to the multibillion do media I just want to call this guy out get out of that's what I want to do you can call

2:46:27him out I just spent I just spent two and a half hours calling out Israel so now this guy second thought he's

2:46:34supporting Hamas you he is pro Hamas that's what that's what hold on hold on hold on solidarity and victory to the

2:46:43Palestinian people against the timing that I keep mentioning as bodies are being counted is

2:46:52pramas that's it that's it there's no other way to interpret that and it's evil he continues imagine someone comes to your town murders your neighbors

2:47:01kicks you out of the home your family lived in for generations and relocates you are those occupiers civilians no they're criminals and accompli in

2:47:10genocide once again referring to babies who were DEC capitated at Le but again that doesn't 40 babies died at

2:47:18this kabut okay kids also children families

2:47:25peaceful peaceful uh kabut um many of them actually pro- uh

2:47:33Palestine uh uh Advocates he said that they are criminals and accomplices okay we don't know they Palestine Advocates

2:47:42four let's not go that far what that's for that's POS that's you you think that none of the people killed

2:47:50were were I mean I don't I don't know that I'm saying like I don't know why you're adding that it doesn't even matter because ultimately died he shouldn't die my

2:47:59position but it is it does make it especially ironic when he's calling them accomplice in genocide when their only

2:48:06crime is being born somewhere no I I I agree with you evil I just say that I agree with you I I don't disagree with

2:48:13you on this at all but but that's not my but bro I'm just calling it out okay this

2:48:20guy if you want you have the opportunity you can speak to him if you want on this on this particular issue I'll think about it but so I don't I don't know why

2:48:28like uh you're I'm not demanding you uh uh respond but I I simply as a matter of

2:48:35doing the show want to call out the people that disgusted me because again I hear this all the time people go oh

2:48:42really well show me an example I know but well here's one no there are of course there are examples of this it's just entirely and utterly

2:48:51inconsequential and I 100% stand by that it's not he's an influential man when you're expressing these kinds of okay

2:48:59let's walk through that what do you think is the negative consequence of this um do you think that people are going to see this and go oh I should go

2:49:08to not care about it I think that if you look at the reality and and I know you

2:49:14recognize it uh a YouTuber saying this kind of thing and spending any time or any effort on this when when our when

2:49:24your moral position is clear when mine is clear spending any time on this whatsoever to be like we got to clean up our own homes here deviates from the

2:49:33actual message that must be unflinching the message is that these

2:49:39violent these violent means of uh of of ensuring that the occupation continues

2:49:47is going to inevitably lead to more violence that Israelis will be subjected to as formalizing murdering civilians he

2:49:55has no capacity to do so and and the result of that I think a better argument would be that it's anti-semitic you

2:50:03could say that well not what he's saying but that it it could lead to people listening to what he's saying and then

2:50:10and then think that like all Jews are responsible consequential this the stuff he saying matters but my point is if I

2:50:17can finish my point is that this guy who proposes to be such this Palestinian advocate he is encouraging the murder of

2:50:26civilians babies Etc um in an effort to free the occupation I don't think he's encouraging it I think he's justifying

2:50:35no no no no no he says hold on now he is just he says this is what

2:50:43Liberation struggle look looks like liberate what's what's the Liberation struggle about murdering families here's the but I wanted to say this this guy

2:50:51who purports to care so much about Palestine his advocating for killing civilians the result of that is going to

2:50:59be basically what's happening in Gaza now which is that Israel which is you know again genocidal violent

2:51:08Psychopathic uh people in power are going you know it's like the PE the result of this is

2:51:15bet Netanyahu gets more power and consolidates when people already [ __ ]

2:51:19hated him the International Community that was giving a lot of General support for Palestine and and Gaza and all

2:51:27that there there was a lot of s look not I know you're going to debate me there was a lot of sentiment especially in

2:51:35Europe for being like yo we need to we need to we need to look at this the entire planet the entire planet has

2:51:43let me finish L condemned the illegal occation time and time again you know who has said [ __ ] off to that the United

2:51:51States of America and Israel and sometimes Ukraine so it does not matter what the condemnation even looks like it

2:51:59doesn't change anything Palestinians let me finish my point okay go ahead finish your point the point

2:52:11is that the result of this these people are pro Palestine the result of this is

2:52:19literally the opposite of any possible intended consequence which is a Netanyahu gets more

2:52:26power internationally and domestically when people already [ __ ] hated him and his government the Western countries are

2:52:35basically backing up Israel's genocide and encouraging it and sanctioning it uh

2:52:41the gazin are now being bombed their food power Waters being shut off although that happens regardless at

2:52:49times always but but so so like like the if if the argument here is

2:52:56that if second thought had not tweeted this or if other uh YouTubers and and other uh people on Twitter had not

2:53:04tweeted uh their their celebrations that uh do we think that the world's perspective would be different on Israel's bombing campaign

2:53:12currently if you think that like leg imately if not a single person had tweeted this do you think that the situation on the ground would be different does it matter to you that it

2:53:21might this might be anti-semitic oh wait what do you mean well you're saying you're treating you're treating this as if it doesn't

2:53:28matter at all and that's you're not je I don't think it matters at all and you're not Israeli yeah I I I don't think I don't think it matters at all in the grand scheme of things whatsoever so

2:53:37you're saying because the question I hold on hold on answer my question please let's say

2:53:46JT and and and Hakim or or any number of different Twitter

2:53:53users had not been so callous in their indifference for civilian

2:54:00, 54 minutescasualties in this situation not a single person had tweeted uh anything do you think that there would be more

2:54:08support for Palestinians obviously not but listen to what why are we having this conversation that in he's influencing PE he's not is this tweet

2:54:17going to change what's happening on the ground no but these opinions being broadcast by respected people in politics is going to contribute to

2:54:26[ __ ] more violence he is in what regard because people are people who sympathize with him are going to are

2:54:33going to be like yeah I mean he's he's basically do you think palan are going to see JT's uh the acceptance of people

2:54:42and that's [ __ ] anti-Semitism bro acceptance of what people acceptance of people internationally who look at this guy saying let's [ __ ] kill all the

2:54:51Israelis cuz they're all occupiers I don't agree with that take that he that he's he's making I'm being

2:54:59hyperbolic but it's not that far from what he said I mean he's called every Israeli an accomplice in genocide and an occupier it's like freaking out it's

2:55:07like freaking out when the Iranian leadership like [ __ ] Burns an American flag or whatever and be like they hate us they're going to come for us they're going to kill all of us there there is no there is no conversation to

2:55:16be had here that is like serious because uh bro I just disagree I mean you were telling me today how much influence I

2:55:24have why does it not matter that people use this the influence you have is upon your the influence you have upon your

2:55:32matter the influence you have upon your fan base was specifically in regards to over okay let me let me dial it back

2:55:40real quick and explain something this is a basic fundamental that I believe in I I believe that our culture and our

2:55:47attitudes are entirely reflected on the material realities on the ground that that our material realities guide our culture and our attitude towards certain

2:55:55things I don't believe that you can move the needle in the other direction I don't believe that you can tweet uh a a

2:56:02revolution as a matter of fact many people uh uh laugh at at hashtag activism and whatnot but I do think that

2:56:09it goes in the opposite direction I do think that you can't uh uh you know make a super sweet YouTube video that ends up

2:56:18uh ends up uh uh destroying the the uh white supremacist Court structure in the United States of America however I do

2:56:27believe that if you go in the other direction and and promote more of the state sponsored violence you absolutely

2:56:34can motivate people to to feel more Justified and demand more from their governments do this so if if if and only

2:56:44if there was a real legitimate wellestablished military machine that was capable of

2:56:53going and [ __ ] killing every single Israeli citizen like you said uh he is justifying for this would be as damaging

2:57:01as the average Israeli defense of the Israeli occupying Force only then I just find it odd

2:57:09even about but Ethan even then there is no comparison because guess what what he is saying as

2:57:17a as a singular YouTuber is represented by our elected leaders is represented in the reality on the ground and the way

2:57:25that that that uh Israel is is continuing its occupation and its bombing campaign in Gaza which is why I think it is utterly and entirely a

2:57:34distraction to have uh assessments to make assessments over listen I'm sorry that I care about it I guess I'm just an emotional [ __ ] idiot I'm not saying

2:57:42that at all I perfectly understand why you it's important to me just I disagree with that I think you should have them on but clearly you

2:57:51disagree I think you should have to ask him I because I personally disagree with this assessment and I think it's unhelpful and unproductive overall but

2:57:59we agree but I think he's evil but I also will Point once again that what he's saying here is the Israeli policy

2:58:09in the other direction it has been the reality in the other direction not good I know you don't agree with that but I'm saying because you don't agree with that

2:58:18because you don't agree with that it it is this is the main problem of having with all this stuff I know that's the main problem you have with all this stuff and that's why I'm trying to say

2:58:27it's not even remotely a a point of contention and it's not even remotely uh

2:58:34equivalent and it's not even remotely to have this conversation this guy is way too comfortable just going out there publicly and being applauded what do you

2:58:41what do you think uh is the solution here what should be done with him for saying that I what criticism isn't doesn't stand on its own why do I

2:58:50need to like be uh pun no you said you're you're upset I mean I I I think you're well within your right to be I'm criticizing I'm criticizing I'm not

2:58:58asking for you're well within your right to be critical of it um like I said though I uh I I will reaffirm my

2:59:05position that if he was saying this about Palestinians instead of Israelis

2:59:13that would not only be not condemned At All by a singular person that would be the specific policy position of the

2:59:21entir of the West World Israelis and the Western world are monsters then we shouldn't care when the opposite people

2:59:30are monsters CU it doesn't necessarily I think because seems like what you're no that's not what I'm saying because I don't agree with what he's saying

2:59:37regardless why does it matter then we're just taking this comment and I just want to point it out for the evil it is is like why does it I just don't understand

2:59:46the told this already any any any issue to be taken up with

2:59:53westerners and and the Optics of like what they are saying should be should be

3:00:00uh talked about with respect to the impact that those words will have which is why I said if you think that this is uh genuinely going to be impactful then

3:00:09that's uh then that's that's another conversation to have I think it matters I mean I wouldn't say it doesn't matter but anyway clearly you don't agree and

3:00:18that that's just my opinion on the guy I do not I do not agree with his assessment yes and so uh let's see moving on to I mean we've talked about

3:00:26but I think you would agree with his assessment if if he was talking about settlers in the West Bank though right I mean I wouldn't go so far as to

3:00:35say that um you know kill babies in the West Bank of course you wouldn't say that but like theoretically I don't think settlers are

3:00:44civilians they're not they are not recognized as civilians by international law they are technically considered terrorist that's an important distinction that he's not making the

3:00:51distinction that he's making is that he's going by he's talking like it's 1952 you know what I mean that's the difference and it's not 1952 you can't

3:01:01make this assessment thank you um you know we were talking about uh let's

3:01:10see man this video is sick dude I again I know you're going to say this is just like a small rally that happened but

3:01:18there is a certain level of comfort I mean this is this doesn't seem like a small rally frankly there's a lot of people out here and they're just out

3:01:26there and here's the speech that one of the organizers has to say about the H oh you haven't seen this I can't see

3:01:35well first of all I can't see anything I don't [ __ ] goddamn classes I forgot I full screen it but also secondly I mean yeah I don't know what the [ __ ]

3:01:44well it's crazy it's crazed and but listen to what this guy has to say broke through the fence they put the

3:01:51F35 what is he saying you'll hear it it's a little fuzzy right now and as you might have seen there was

3:02:00, 2 minutessome sort of Rave or desert party where they were having a great time until the resistance came in electrified hang

3:02:09gliders and took at least several dozen hipsters woo but I'm sure they're doing very fine

3:02:16despite what the New York Post says but nobody had seen this coming every Israeli official said it was a

3:02:25complete surprise and I think we have to sit with that because as of just a couple days ago they said that surprise

3:02:33wasn't possible they said we control every inch of Palestine no they don't they said we have walls we have cameras

3:02:42yes we have traitor too and there's nothing they can do that we won't see or what we do they were so

3:02:49arrogant but just less than 24 hours ago on the land from the sea and from the

3:02:57air the people of the

3:03:05pron our people from God our young people are riding their bikes through these settlements where they were told

3:03:12they could never go because of parttime our Farmers the farmers of Gaza

3:03:20you know they say that they can't even have tractors they say that's terrorist equipment well unfortunately for them

3:03:27the tractors of these various so-called kabut settlements have been liberated and taken back to the

3:03:38farm I mean that's insane right I I don't even yeah okay like okay I I'm

3:03:47just criticizing people you don't you don't have to comment if you're not comfortable about it okay I mean I I I have no he was just

3:03:54like I don't like this [ __ ] it bothers me I understand why I understand why the electrified hangliding Heroes flew in

3:04:02and Li and killed a bunch of hipsters partying they were having so much fun at the party till these [ __ ] Heroes showed up and mass murdered everyone oh

3:04:10and we liberated the Kuts by the way everyone's cheering we liberated the kabut AKA beheading babies uh I will

3:04:19once again present to you the same exact question if this rally was not held and if he had not said those things that I

3:04:26do not agree with do you think that there would be a difference in the the uh analysis and the way that Palestinian

3:04:34people are treated do you think that there would be a difference in the in in the bombing campaign that's going on or

3:04:40do you think that this is once again the the violent sentiment of uh those who are who are

3:04:50siding with the oppressed that is ultimately I don't know utterly and entirely

3:04:58inconsequential I'll tell you this I know that's fil all this does I know that all this does and I have no problem

3:05:05to say is to all this does is to serve a singular purpose and that purpose I do not believe you are on

3:05:14board with but that purpose is cynical uh when when people go look at these guys they're all violent that is

3:05:23by Design what mainstream media in America is doing when they constantly exclusively cover the Palestinian side

3:05:32specific about like these guys I know you're not doing just spent two and a half hours talking about I know so but but so I just want to listen I just want

3:05:40to say this guy's evil he is he's a fck he's an evil dude there's just you know what I mean like [ __ ] this guy and [ __ ]

3:05:48all these people that's just not it man and and once again this is right after this is right after it all happened yes

3:05:56and we're talking about the hang gliding Heroes the I mean I'm sorry but it's sick and I think it needs to be called out I don't think it's good to normalize this kind of [ __ ] we should we should

3:06:04keep calling it out we should only call this out which is what many are doing whenever there's any mention of I know

3:06:11you're not about us you're not yeah but but this is why I'm like there is not sing there's not a single outlet that

3:06:20ever legitimately legitimately shows the the ongoing and and NeverEnding plight

3:06:28of palestin only talk about Palestinian activists like this they show these uh these uh pieces of footage and go look

3:06:36how violent these guys are look how violent the left is overall these guys are all leftist look at them they're leftist they love Terror they love terrorism when it and we are talking

3:06:44about this in a in a country where like there is no like the guy you brought up JT okay uh who I disagree with on that

3:06:53front he has had the department of homel security visit his home for his uh for a

3:07:00, 7 minutesYouTube video that he wrote no not for that it was a YouTube video that you would agree with if you watched it it was about the Department of Homeland Security and of itself I believe it was

3:07:09something about CIA um like they is no there is no

3:07:15real uh legitimate genuine uh and and continued support for Palestinians and

3:07:22there's no legitimate real and continued leftist momentum happen excuse me especially one that is like associated

3:07:30with any kind of tangible move on the ground so that is why it is you know frivolous to to have this endless back

3:07:38and forth that already is happening all over mainstream media there is no especially in America they don't bring up they don't bring up like mhammad Al

3:07:47whose uh home was violently seized they don't they they don't have him on to talk about these issues they just go look at these crazy I don't think I I

3:07:55listen I don't think a 30 I don't I don't mean this I don't think this uh monologuing is essential to calling this

3:08:03guy evil that's all all right are there more are there

3:08:11more uh uh wrongs committed by by Americans who are speaking on Palestine that we can go

3:08:19through I'm I'm down to go through more of it if you have more this is the well this is and this is a massive rally in uh Sydney Australia and again we bring

3:08:29up the issue of like it's inconsequential well according to this massive rally outside the Sydney Opera

3:08:38house um they're not making a distinction between Israelis and Jews actually I'll play it for

3:09:11Jew etc etc this is the out of everything that you've shown me this is demonstrably the worst like because this

3:09:21has genuine impact on the ground in uh whatever nation that we're talking about that is

3:09:28unequivocally and and uncritically anti-semitic completely indefensible no like no no additions to that can I ask

3:09:38you a question then let's say that one of this and that will lead that does lead to I think uh uh furthering

3:09:46anti-semitic and not only is it unproductive but that does I think lead to uh a a real and tangible impact on

3:09:53the ground so let me ask you this what's up a fan of second thought who's listen

3:09:59to him dehumanizing uh Israelis that way do you think that listening to him might Inspire one of those people to be like

3:10:08hey I'm going to go join this uh you know what Hamas well no I mean it's a pro according to the it's a pro Palestine

3:10:17Palestine you think a fan second thought is going to see okay let's walk through it you think a fan of second is going to see that and be like I'm going to go to Gaza I'm going to join Hamas that's not

3:10:25what I said I said he's going to go down to the Opera Sydney that at this location M and uh be and be like hey

3:10:32yeah [ __ ] let's gas the Jews everyone's saying it nobody seems to care I guess it could

3:10:40happen certainly okay okay but once again I mean this is [ __ ] gross by

3:10:48the way 100% it's just ridiculous um there is no there is

3:10:56there's it's it's disgusting uh what I was going to say

3:11:04is I'm still thinking about a second thought YouTube fan being like I'm going to go rise up in the global Jihad and

3:11:11and and rise up against Israel and and Purge it I understand that may Allah guide my weapons I understand you think

3:11:18it's silly but again responding to your point about how nothing none of this matters and I disagree with that premise

3:11:26I do yeah that guy this is how I'm picturing it's time to do a Jihad against Israel and all the Jews not yeah

3:11:34but that wasn't my point he's just going to join the the rally let's let's let's be serious let's be serious you're right um I think that

3:11:44that conflations uh no matter who's doing it of of anti-zionism and anti-Semitism are

3:11:52very dangerous and I think that saying that uh you know saying anti-Semitism is like [ __ ] the Jews when you're talking

3:12:00, 12 minutesspecifically uh at a at a uh anti-israel Rally or Pro Palestine rally is really

3:12:07[ __ ] up uh completely unacceptable and uh yeah I don't I don't know what

3:12:15else to say about it other than yeah of course I condemn that that is I mean there's people there's always people that try to sneak in little anti-semitic

3:12:22[ __ ] in my chat all the goddamn time whenever I'm talking about these stuff they're like ooh Why do you think uh the American Media turns a blind eye to this

3:12:30maybe because they own it and I'm like okay [ __ ] Jews don't own the media wasps do okay so shut the [ __ ] up

3:12:39like there's always going to be there is always going to be people that that try to take advantage of these sorts of things and

3:12:46ultimately um the the reality on the ground is unchanging and the the uh opinion of our of our governments are

3:12:54are unchanging on uh the the uh what do you call it the the way that we turn a

3:13:01blind eye to one side of the atrocities and and also completely justify the the reaction that the state engages in but

3:13:10yes I think that could lead to I do think that is anti-Semitic and that will lead to anti-semitic sentiment spreading

3:13:17it is completely unacceptable and it should never be normalized and it should be fought against that's what I'm that's what I'm trying to do that is not what

3:13:25uh that that that is not what being a defender of Palestine is about it is not about being a defender of of the emancipation of all people is about it's

3:13:34it's completely ridiculous and so here this is one more this happened in in uh Brighton in England

3:13:43um I'll just play it real fast another rally dude there's going to be there's going to be it's like that dude who like there's some random [ __ ] guy who like

3:13:51had a who like Googled swastika and like pointed it I'm not showing that one cuz that one's silly it's just no I know but my point is my point is this right there

3:14:00, 14 minutesare always in every [ __ ] in in every kind of press there going to be charlatans clowns what matters is not

3:14:09necessarily like the BLM protesters that are saying [ __ ] kill all white people when you find them in a [ __ ] BLM

3:14:17protest what matters is like the actual action that the state is taking so that's why I I never for even a singular

3:14:26moment am ever going to uh hear the the calls of like the ethnic cleansing from

3:14:33like random uh kohas on the ground uh celebrating Israel's actions against Gaza and be like wow this is this is

3:14:41truly important because I know that their opinion on the matter is inconsequential like this is true I'm

3:14:48I'm not making like a mountain out of it I'm just saying that uh it's [ __ ]

3:14:53gross and I mean I are you do you deny that there's at

3:15:01least there are a lot of people that believe this [ __ ] there are of course anti-Semitism is is certainly a major

3:15:09issue and I think it's important to make a good effort to separate the

3:15:16issues yes I I I do I do agree with you and I do that all the

3:15:23time uh but like I said the reason why I I look at this and and consider it to be utterly

3:15:31unproductive is because having random charlatans and and

3:15:38uh and and people who have violent opinions these are well attended who yeah but I I know yeah and

3:15:47organizers do not but this does not reflect upon again the situation on the ground it does not reflect on on on

3:15:56people who are are defending you know what I'll say this I agree okay I agree with you yeah we don't even need to argue about it I agree I have to pee

3:16:03again godamn it uh right I'm getting too defensive I agree with you and I and I don't know why I'm like uh why I have to you know I don't know why I'm I'm going

3:16:12through each individual protest to be like this is bad this is bad right well we just did it with the

3:16:20uh what with the uh you know the genocidal monsters who are calling for the death of you know yeah we we glance

3:16:28through it and my point there wasn't necessarily to be like this is the uh this is the opinion of these guys and they are moving policy I know that their

3:16:36opinion doesn't matter because the policy is already set the policy reflects what they're saying I I even told told you they're comfortable saying

3:16:43those things because there's no punishment that I even expect them to withstand for those statements because I

3:16:51don't care about their statements I care about I don't care about the the public opinion in that regard I care more about

3:16:58the actions of governments and and what the media is doing and I think everything that you've shown me thus far

3:17:06is is subject to a a role reversal that literally is the reality a a ro reversal

3:17:15that is that is actually demonstrably what the media is pumping out that's what I I agree with and I've and I've shown both sides and I just don't

3:17:24understand the insistence that that it just doesn't matter because the other because we're because the other side is

3:17:31doing it you know it's like I don't know man here for me I mean this for me

3:17:40yesterday yesterday was a victory as a Palestinian yes there was a victory for

3:17:47for Freedom Fighters and resid to break out of a 15-year blockade so successfully under the inhumane genocide from isra was so beautiful and inspiring

3:17:56to see it shows us that we it shows us as Palestinians and it shows the world as us from Palestinians that we will

3:18:04always fight and we will always resist and we need to celebrate these acts of resistance CU this is this is a success

3:18:13yeah and again this like so so she's saying this is act of resistance this is like um it it's happening while this is

3:18:21like on October 7th or October 8th right yeah yeah that's like a a displaced Palestinian woman yeah who is and so and

3:18:28so she said she said the mass murder of civilians is uh inspiring and beautiful she said

3:18:37that okay and then she also said didn't you didn't you originally maintain the position that like yeah yeah displaced Palestinians are going to have uh

3:18:45they're going to say things that In the Heat of the Moment are are impassioned and and often times uh

3:18:52not empathetic to the civilian casualties on the other side I mean it's just I mean the point is that that people see this stuff and it matters

3:19:01especially you know who it really matters to is like you know the demons that [ __ ] want to actually kill the Palestinians cuz this is like the

3:19:09perfect you know amunition well don't you feel like you're also serving their purpose then when when you endlessly talk about uh the the first of

3:19:19all not endlessly talk not endlessly but showing this and like parading all of this I think that well well first of all it's a political show we're talking

3:19:27about all this stuff I agree and and and you know I'm just I'm just I'm just showing what I've seen that bothers me I

3:19:35understand does it help the conservative apparatus I don't think me watching this now this I mean these videos are all super viral I didn't dig this out and

3:19:43put it out into the world I know you know why there's super viral because of the things that you men yes no the reason why they're super viral is

3:19:51because you're right it does help present all Palestinians think superal those who are demanding emancipa

3:19:59emancipation for Palestinians in a negative light by appealing to the understandable human emotions of of

3:20:06saying like these are dead babies you reflect that in your show celebrating dead babies think that that's a revolutionary act it's gross and it's

3:20:14disgusting right so that's that's the that's the major reason as to why these videos get played all the [ __ ] time

3:20:21and the the uh and the the roll reversal of said videos is reflected as current

3:20:29existing policy in both the United States and also in Israel I so much so that they don't even

3:20:36show in America Israelis who are literally pushing back against the administration and say that the violence

3:20:44is uh caused directly by the Israeli administration's uh positions like that's how [ __ ] bloodthirsty we are

3:20:53here in the western world it is like the the the condemnations only work in One Direction and I have I have done it over

3:21:02and over and over again and I will continue to do so if uh if presented with this kind of thing but the reason

3:21:09why I think this is an unserious or frivolous conversation to be had is because of rallies being conducted

3:21:18ultimately not yielding any sort of serious results in general and certainly not uh on behalf of Palestinians if you

3:21:27look at the 75 uh years of of brutal uh

3:21:34occupation right like and I don't think Palestinians on the ground give a [ __ ]

3:21:38either for the record like they don't like this is not going to if this footage ex it is going viral it is shocking though yes if this rally did

3:21:46not exist do like Would One Singular baby not be obliterated in the Gaza Strip no so I don't have a like I don't

3:21:54give a [ __ ] you know what I mean or or if more uh if more Ries existed on the other side of of people CU there's tons

3:22:02of there's tons of counter protesters I disagree I disag the first footage that you showed were literally counter

3:22:09protesters of a a uh valy where people were talking about solidarity with Palestine remember the the Kanas guy who

3:22:16was like obliterate all the Jews that we like uh you know uh move past because I think it's frivolous and inconsequential

3:22:24in the grand scheme of things because the American government is going to do what it's going to do and Israel is going to do what it's going to do regardless of whatever people [ __ ]

3:22:32say on the ground and that the the overarching consensus view on the Palestinian front due to things like

3:22:40this being highlighted and and not necessarily the voice of activists who do not say things like this is already

3:22:47entirely uh and and deliberately uh uh on behalf of like all Palestinians being terrorists it's just this is why I say

3:22:56it's unproductive because there is no one who is being promoted in mainstream media as like a good voice for

3:23:04Palestinian people and those who do actually say I condemn the violence uh and and but here is the the reality of

3:23:12why this violence occurred they weren't all Palestinians that I showed but but listen no no I know I understand you understand what I'm saying right like

3:23:20this is this is a deliberate way in which you look at but I also think that this person or or different rallies and to and you cast a negative light on the

3:23:29entire Palestinian Liberation movement not saying you're doing that that's why it matters like but Optics it's an

3:23:37Optics conversation and in the in the grand scheme of things having an OP conversation about like oh I can't believe they said this look at how

3:23:45violent they are while simultaneously you know I'm not they this you know what I mean like I know what you're saying okay

3:23:53how individual are but like at a certain point this doesn't um this doesn't serve any other purpose than you know what Ben

3:24:01hip hero would do to be like look at how violent they are and that that is the the the mechanism of manufacturing

3:24:09consent working in unison uh yes there are people that say condemnable [ __ ]

3:24:15this does not change my mind on Palestinian emancipation and it should not change your mind if you're watching at home I know it doesn't change your mind but it could it could it probably

3:24:24does have an influence on people being more hateful more dehumanizing to Israelis and in some extreme cases

3:24:32anti-semitic Ean when you see a video you you're in support of black lives matter she says we need to celebrate these acts of of black lives matter

3:24:41right you're in support of black lives matter as a movement in general you are I know you are okay I mean come on uh

3:24:48when you see videos when right-wingers in America present videos of black lives matter supporters and activists and even

3:24:55leaders saying you know that cop died and it was good that that cop died and they show that and go look at the situation these guys are all violent

3:25:04they all want to [ __ ] kill cops they all want to kill white people they show wanting and callous indifference the death of whites uh in general when they

3:25:13when they show footage like that does that change your perspective do you also think not mine but maybe okay it changes

3:25:21some people's perspectives do you think that those videos or or the the uh the weaponization of those videos is what

3:25:28serves a purpose in changing people's minds in propagandizing them against black lives matter yeah it's part of what why it

3:25:36matters no do you think it's the it's the singular act itself or is it the prop propagandizing of and the weaponization of those videos that that

3:25:44serve a purpose in in uh in you know creating anti- BLM

3:25:51sentiment I don't I don't think it's you know BLM you're talking about different situations I don't even know what do

3:25:59mean I don't know if it's comparable I mean we're talking emancipation BLM we're talking about

3:26:06like riots we're talking about like breaking in the buildings in Israel we're talking about murdering 1500 people decapitating babies burning

3:26:14families alive that she called Beautiful we need to celebrate so the the severity of it is not is not the same okay

3:26:22um black lives matter is an emancipation uh is an emancipatory movement to to uh stop the disproportionate killing and

3:26:30targeting and uh and and stop the disproportionate killing and targeting of of black people in the hands of the police right under a white supremacist

3:26:37Criminal Justice System these issues have gone unnoticed for far too long long Palestinian Liberation is identical

3:26:45as far as uh the the struggle goes which is extended Beyond uh the treatment of black people under a white supremacist

3:26:53police force but literally is a a uh legalized AP partite structure MH okay so these are both emancipatory

3:27:01causes do you think that uh when people bring up random footage of like

3:27:10black lives activist or even the Hamas thing the BLM uh uh the the BLM Chicago account that's like unaffiliated with

3:27:18anything uh posting a photo of the Hamas parach Shooters right and saying this is Palestinian emancipation do you think that uh when

3:27:27people do that they're doing that because they genuinely think like oh we need to clean up our message

3:27:35here us BLM supporters we need to clean up our message here um I I think I think

3:27:42it's more about like influencing not just the people who are there but also

3:27:50the people who constantly see this kind of language and think that that's the language of like the of of the

3:27:59resistance or that's the that's this is the way that we should be talking about this okay so the more positive situation in that in that regard if you were faced

3:28:08with that if you were faced with the someone showing you this kind of footage and you as a as a supporter of black lives matter you would say yeah this is

3:28:17you know this is silly this is ridiculous right like yeah it's bad but also this is not what is reflective of

3:28:23the of the actual motus operandi of the of the movement and of itself and their cause is just I think I don't know if

3:28:31we're getting lost in the woods a little bit because I I I agree with you in that it's not a an accurate representation of

3:28:38like the people as a whole it just Bo bothered me and I wanted to call it out okay but but you understand why like it

3:28:46can be not saying you're doing this but it can be used to effectively propagandize and neuter any kind of emancipatory yeah of course okay good

3:28:54that's all I'm saying you're not doing this because you do I think I I know you are empathetic to Palestinians and and their

3:29:03plight however uh many people in the media that are significantly significantly more powerful and more

3:29:10influential than you and I combined times 10 are doing exactly what you just showed me showing footage of this around

3:29:17the clock and effectively radicalizing people against the Palestinians and the Palestinian position when an endless bombing campaign has currently taken the

3:29:26lives of of more than 500 children more than 500 children in Gaza this is why I find this conversation to be utterly and

3:29:34entirely unproductive especially because we are an independent media Outlet in comparison to the Sea of mainstream media conversations that are being had

3:29:42on exactly this issue I understand where you're coming from when you are afraid as a Jew in America about the possible

3:29:51anti-semitic uh uh the theising anti-Semitism of course your co-host myself and and many other people I love

3:29:59are are you know uh we are seen as Muslim regardless of what our position is and and islamophobia is also ever

3:30:07present so I I am sympathetic to your uh to your fears on on you know on multiple different

3:30:14Avenues uh however this is why I think it is uh it's a conversation that's being had all over the media I don't

3:30:22know why we spend any additional time on it here because it does have a a a intentional or unintentional way of

3:30:32casting a negative light on the emancipatory struggle of Palestinians especially in the

3:30:38west right but I mean it still is happening

3:30:46though like should we not show it because it makes them look bad I think it's fine to I think it's

3:30:54fine to show it and say this I think it's unacceptable and I think optically speaking this is not something that should happen but also do basically what

3:31:02you're saying but also do it in the framework of like recognizing the overwhelming amount of media in the opposite direction that is the the Reg

3:31:11right just to be and just to be clear we did spend the first two and a half hours doing just that no I I know I I know but

3:31:19we talked more so about the real issues on the ground MH in the first uh in the first two and a half hours now we're

3:31:27talking about the Optics now we're talking about the Optics and how certain things are received in the west and if we're going to have a conversation about like media narratives or how certain

3:31:36things are received in the west and Optics then that's an entirely different ation that is devoid of of all right there listen I I I see what you're

3:31:44saying what's going ground yet again we're basically in agreeance there's one more thing I know this is [ __ ] insane

3:31:52this is the longest episode ever it's already three and a half hours so thank you for staying half the crw left are you serious I'm I'm exaggerating some

3:32:00, 32 minutespeople had to go uh there's one more thing that you know a as

3:32:08listen as is a dual citizen is is someone who knows a lot of Israelis and by the way knows all the horrible things

3:32:16that the IDF does after I saw you say this I was quite shocked because I hadn't heard

3:32:26that and in my research looking for it I I have to pee go ahead I'll wait for you you play that no well I'll wait for you

3:32:35because I want you to see it I go ahead I'll wait I we talk I'll talk to Dan hey what's up can we talk about the Taylor Swift movie

3:32:43yet cuz we're three and a half hours in I feel like we're running out of time we're not going to get to it oh it's a movie it's it's it's it's a lot more

3:32:51than just a movie you're uning kidding me did you not read the write up I sent you last night it's an experience of a I

3:32:58sent you a 133-page document that I spent all night on this morning and you didn't even look at it did you is it an IM 4D I'm not answering that for you you

3:33:07read it you figure it out screwed I'm so upset why aren't we talking about the important things

3:33:14kidding do you think that it is an IMAX 4d though of course you can feel her SP hope

3:33:22show the 40 experience oh God can um uh while we're

3:33:29waiting for son to come back just can I just play this Banger Trump totally unrelated to anything not doesn't have anything to do with Israel but very

3:33:38important nonetheless and I'm glad it's such because this is the worst microphone let me turn it I hope you can hear me back there oh you couldn't hear

3:33:46USIC I'm glad it's cuz this is the worst microphone I think I've ever had I hope you can hear me back

3:33:53there Justin don't pay the bill for this mic I'm blowing out my voice talking to this stupid mic this the worst mic I've

3:34:02ever had okay now we'll get back to the speech I'm trying to get their attention turn up the

3:34:08mic turn up the mic fine is it okay Ela what's up something I had a and then I don't pay a bill and they say Trump

3:34:16doesn't pay his contractors thanks fu yeah I love when Ela ask me if I want a

3:34:23coffee cuz it's like let's go where a coffee time let's do

3:34:32coffee I want to say actually because we have a moment here this has been really um emotional and it's it's just really

3:34:41nice to see both sides being able to talk and have a civil conversation Ag and educate each other I've learned

3:34:48stuff from what learn no question about it mhm actually yeah I definitely feel like I

3:34:58was uh moved in ways that uh I didn't expect yeah that's nice and I and I hope that

3:35:06people see and I hope the audience agrees and doesn't Ascend into dumb [ __ ] no um well obviously we had the

3:35:14chat off but we do have our members Discord and I've been monitoring that uh for the discussion that's been going on and um and yeah I think there's a lot of

3:35:21appreciation for the for the conversations that I've been had today in fact there's so much appreciation

3:35:27that we just ticked over to 2 we're H H 2.94 baby we're almost back to age three

3:35:36we're almost back to H three well 60,000 is a lot at this base uh yeah what were we talking about so Ela was just saying

3:35:44first of all uh that uh she appreciates that we're able to have this conversation and I was saying that I've definitely been moved in ways that I

3:35:52didn't expect uh in having this conversation and further I said that I hope that people it's a hard

3:36:00, 36 minutesconversation to have and I don't think a lot of people are sitting down and doing it in this way and I respect you you

3:36:08know uh immensely and um I really appreciate that we can do this and I hope that people in the comments don't descend into dumb [ __ ]

3:36:19name calling and that actually can just like be civil like we've been if you're you know what I mean okay here's the

3:36:26last thing Hassan all right when you're if you're ready no I'm ready okay holy [ __ ] it's 2: p.m. sorry bro it's all

3:36:36good it's definitely going longer than I thought but um um so so I saw this and

3:36:44my first thought was like that's horrible but I I couldn't really find a lot of evidence to back it up and like

3:36:53uh well let me play the clip I saw on the news today a guy who lives in Gaza said that Israelis are raping Palestinian women yes uh

3:37:02israeli's raping Palestinian women is a well documented part of israeli's apartheid apparatus so that part is not

3:37:10uh that that part of course comes with any anyway that's that's the heart and soul I mean I I don't necessarily have to um there is a I don't have to watch the

3:37:19rest because the there's a gag order on that was recently released on a on uh an Israeli soldier that had right here uh

3:37:27raped uh a a Palestinian woman and this kind of yeah there it is the idea of remove the gag order in arested yeah and

3:37:35he was publicly shamed how is this system systemic rape as part of the institution of Israel the

3:37:44same concept exists in the um American police force where uh any kind of uh sexual act under the uh coercive

3:37:53institutions of of of like being incarcerated is understandably and also

3:38:00, 38 minutestechnically and morally considered sexual assault mhm there are reports of

3:38:07of Palestinian women in captivity oh [ __ ] uh talking about in captivity

3:38:13talking about that experience so I let's see I found one of the sources I I saw you like this tweet by this squirrel guy

3:38:22so I I just looked into squirrel yeah so I just looked into all the sources he posted because I was genuinely curious

3:38:29to know if that was true and I mean well so besides that article I just pulled up which is like the one really prominent

3:38:38example I could find of an Israeli guard raping a Palestinian and again he was arrested and publicly

3:38:45named but the other one the one of the ones that he quoted was like I don't know what the [ __ ] this is care.com it's literally just like a

3:38:53little blurb Palestinian females freed from Israeli detention said more than 15 fellow Palestinian women were raped by Israeli interrogators to force them to

3:39:01confess to charges leveled against them and and collaborate with the Israeli intelligence quote Israeli investigators and Intelligence Officers keep vide

3:39:09tapes of raping to Blackmail the female detainees she told Islam online.net which is another

3:39:17website so according to I guess this website which I then went to which just

3:39:25doesn't oh well that's not going to be too helpful to you is it well I I translated it you translate it yeah but like it just I don't understand this

3:39:34doesn't seem like super credible at least or mean I mean it might be cred you have an issue with with care or

3:39:41islam.nu well what is this the lack of I me listen that's a huge claim 15 Palestinian women were raped m i was

3:39:49sexually abused and photographed she said but like what I don't know what this is am I what is this what do you

3:39:55mean is this is this a source you're asking if it's credible yeah yes care is credible I think at least care is uh

3:40:04care is the there's no Source there's like nothing here like [ __ ] I mean that's a pretty extraordinary claim I mean [ __ ] like

3:40:13like it's serious to say that the Israeli apparatus is using rape systemically to oppress the Palestinians

3:40:21I think there's so horrible things happening I think it's one of the many things that happens under uh institutionalization and it happens in

3:40:29America as well regardless of the uh regardless of the the same amount of care and consideration being given to

3:40:38those who are incarcerated in America it's a it's the it's a similar uh it's a similar concept the care is the Council

3:40:45on Islamic uh American Islamic relations by the way okay okay my I just to say my dad's part of care the Michigan chapter

3:40:53we we love care there you go my my my only problem is that there's like literally no source to this I agree that that doesn't seem the best that

3:41:01information is not presented in a very clear way because you're the dude that posted this that you liked his tweet use

3:41:09this as source and I just I don't know what this is it just doesn't seem very I I don't well you didn't know what care

3:41:17was I didn't know what care was but like I just came to this I just typed in the headline that I saw and I got to this page and I and I tried to do more

3:41:25research about Israeli guards raping Palestinians I found like another let's

3:41:31see there's a tiny oh no not this um frankly there was there wasn't much

3:41:38else other than like sporadic is isolated unconfirmed kind of nebulous accusations and I'm not saying it doesn't happen I'm just saying like this

3:41:46one article is the only real significant one that I could find and the dude was arrested they do have

3:41:55yes um one of the I think one of the reasons as to why uh it is not as widely reported on is

3:42:04gag orders you can remove them from time to time like they happened here but but there's no evidence for that it's not incredibly well do it's not as

3:42:13incredibly well documented as uh some of the other things that Amnesty International has uh has access to on the ground

3:42:21okay it's just I don't know it it it it rubbed me wrong a little bit because it just it's it's just a big claim to make

3:42:29and I just I don't know like I'm I'm not saying it's not true because the IDF is horrible and they do horrible things but like it's a special kind of evil the way

3:42:37that you describe it that once again I think dehumanizes the Israelis today a guy who

3:42:45lives in Gaza said that Israelis are raping Palestinian women and his source is a guy in Gaza said this which again I just want like one reputable Source uh

3:42:53Israelis raping Palestinian women is a well documented part of israeli's aparte apparatus so that part is not well

3:43:01documented isn't true yes no um I think I think you're you're absolutely right I think I should have uh used I should

3:43:09have used my word more carefully when saying that uh it's a it's a comment and passing and that does have serious impact I agree with you okay thank I

3:43:17think that the the the uh the the partnering of the

3:43:24instance that uh you just showed on top of the gag order on top of the the uh treatment of institutionalized people in

3:43:32general and and the sexual violence that they subject to they are subjected to that is considered legal in both America

3:43:38and everywhere else due to a lack of uh due to a lack of of getting adequate uh

3:43:46adequate coverage to their to their issues your point is that and the incarcerated are abused on top of that you're yes and on top of that one thing

3:43:55that is not technically sexual violence but coercion of a of a different magnitude is uh uh the the for example

3:44:04gay Palestinians being uh blackmailed specifically uh to to become uh sources of information I haven't I haven't read

3:44:12about that and things of that nature that still uh things of that nature that still would be factored under that you're right though I should have chosen

3:44:21my words more carefully right and and listen and and there is I will I will uh present you more information on on that as

3:44:29well what does that mean like I I'll I'll uh come back with more information for you and again

3:44:36like everything you you're super credible it was just this one thing it just rubbed me a little bit wrong and

3:44:44like listen we you know that's it but I appreciate that you that you no you're you're I think it's fair okay thank you I appreciate you saying that that's that

3:44:52was basically my my that was of all the things you said that was the one thing that I was like I'm I don't know about

3:45:00, 45 minutesthat so I'm glad that we we talked about that the other things I don't know if you want to talk about was my spat with your friends which at this point I'm

3:45:09like just fully apologetic towards them you know after talking about it and and really I I don't know I got an more of

3:45:18an emotional Insight no it's understandable from you today that impacted me and even

3:45:27though you know I felt provoked um I

3:45:35understand why if in my opinion they're not using the most delic language because they're [ __ ] angry and pissed

3:45:42you know what I mean and so like I should I need to be more charitable I think um and less

3:45:50reactive because their pain is valid and I need to uh acknowledge that and

3:45:59um you know be yeah be more forgiving of less delicate

3:46:08language um well I'll I'll I'll get back to you with more information on on uh the the

3:46:16documentation on on uh rapes under incarceration okay cuz you know there are there are more studies okay

3:46:26that I mean there is more well great I mean that'll be nice we'll just we'll figure it out okay yeah specifically

3:46:36this can one can I make one point on that yeah of course okay um rape under

3:46:44incarceration in a carceral structure in general is very difficult to study and document the fact that doing so inside

3:46:53of an apartheid structure makes it even more difficult to document and even then there are still obviously witness testimonies that you can rely on in

3:47:01ituations like this I mean okay well I I'll like the care thing was the only

3:47:10thing I could no there there's there's definitely more Ethan that's well then then it's an inevitability that it

3:47:16happens basically it's not like itre bro I'm just saying like I just want to know

3:47:23more I just want a reliable source and I I just don't know what this is it's all

3:47:29it's almost all on testimonials from Palestinian women uh and

3:47:38and uh that's you know it's it's not exactly it's not exactly considered to

3:47:45be I'm not even finding the accusations though like I'm not even calling women liars or something I want to make that clear like I'm not saying like they're

3:47:53lying I just I can't even find the accusations to read I mean this is the only one and it it doesn't even say who's talking or who they're quoting or

3:48:00, 48 minutesanything I mean okay it's just it's just nothing but like I'm I'm open to the conversation of course and and if that's

3:48:09what's happen happening I think it does need to be talked about that's all you like men as well not just women I understand that men can also be all

3:48:17right raped and sexually assaulted you know of course I mean that's something that I

3:48:26did read which I considered just kind of sporadic and nebulous because it was just hard to pin down a systemic thing that I could point to was it like yeah

3:48:35dudes were being like you know penetrated with foreign object objects I mean obviously that is also rape

3:48:42horrible all right yeah yeah um so yeah in short uh in in

3:48:50closing this dude Muhammad I mean

3:48:58again I apologize too and uh froan I apologize to is that is that

3:49:06how you say it Morgan froan froan is a foot soldier and has been has been a

3:49:12longtime fan of yours um you know there there are going to be other foot soldiers who are also of a Muslim

3:49:20background that may have said things that would upset you right and that's something to consider when you know

3:49:27reacting to them you're right I think the take that's what I was trying to say when on the phone less reactive more

3:49:35charitable and understanding you know they they

3:49:41reasonable and warranted anger at uh

3:49:48Israel um oh my God that's it that's everything all right

3:49:57perfect we did it we solved the conflict I thought like first of all I

3:50:03mean we talked about a lot of [ __ ] and I do feel like I was genuinely um

3:50:10influenced by by some stuff that you had shared are you moving towards wrapping up the show yeah we're I mean you want

3:50:18to talk about the swifties it feels like it's maybe too late now Dan wants to talk about the

3:50:26Swifty movie well just I promis it's it's not about me it's about our audience they were

3:50:32promised an era's movie review go ahead it sucked it sucked [ __ ] dick

3:50:39[ __ ] Swift button but careful D you're going get yeah watch out bro by the way what a Twist I apologize if it felt like I was

3:50:48like forcing you to comment on these terrible whatever takes that wasn't my intention it was just right to show

3:50:57stuff that upset me you know what I mean no I understand but I agree everything you said I agree with I mean ultimately we we're in

3:51:04agreeance ultimately and in fact I think you moved me even more

3:51:11towards towards your side or whatever side I don't think there's sides it's not the best way to put it okay anything

3:51:20else no cool all right everybody uh Zach's not here to play the

3:51:28music would you like me to just kind of play

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